| 2017-02-15 19:04:03 • Oleg Bulatowsky (logelo0one) | |
Admin date issue | # 7040 |
| Dear all,
My team "The Lords of XO" and me are concerned about the upcoming match with the team "Dasha and bears". The reason for this is our complete inability to reach any reasonable compromise with the captain of the team "Dasha and Bears" with respect of the date and time of the match. While I informed Ilya Muratov about the inability of our 2 top players (namely adif and gergo) to play on the admin date as soon as I got informed about it (the rounds first weekend), all my proposals were turned down. With great respect could I understand why the opponent team was unable to play on weekdays because of work, it was somewhat surprising to hear "Dasha and Bears" refuse to play on the 2nd weekend and around the noon of the 3rd weekend using different excuses (extract of the personal conversation can be delivered to the Comittee) As the captain of "The Lords of XO" and on the behalf of my team, I will respect any decision made by the Comittee in this case. As a member of the gomoku community and participant of the EL, however, I would greatly await an exciting match between my team and "Dasha and Bears", pephaps the strongest russian team to ever be lined up for the EL, as it promises (a great contribution to the development of the online competition). The last thing I expect of the Comittee is that it will let this fixture become a bureaucratic farse and not happen not to take place due to objective reasons from our side and the objective reasons from the opponents side. One of the virtues most cherished by the european culture is flexibility. And so we would like to show that we are ready to be flexible. We hope that "Dasha and Bears" can kindly review their position and show their willingness to cooperate by letting the game to decide who is better, not who is luckier by providing a full line-up at a predecided time. We want to kindly request the parties involved ("Dasha and Bears" and the Comittee) to come to a decision which option will make better for the game. - The teams are scheduled to play 10:00-11:00 18/19.02.2016 (4 vs. 4) - The teams are scheduled to play 15:00-19:00 19.02.2016 (3 vs. 3) - The Comittee extends the current round by one week and sets the admin date to next Sunday - Any other plausible option offered by the Committee to solve this issue - The Comittee agrees to accept our step-down from the competition, recalibrates the results of the previous rounds, and takes it into consideration that none of the players of "The Lords of XO" will take any further part in the EL. We would greatly appreciate your feedback as soon as possible. In case the third option is chosen we bring our apologies to the teams we played with in the first 3 rounds who's coefitients we have affected. Sincerely yours, Oleg Bulatowsky on behalf of the Lords of XO | |
| 2017-02-14 23:58:43 • Oleg Bulatowsky (logelo0one) | |
Admin date issue | # 7039 |
| I regret that some of my remarks were taken by some respected members of the gomoku community on their own account. My intention was, on the contrary, to direct the attention of the gomoku community to the critical shortcomings of the "Admin Date" rule, not to accuse any specific team or person. Therefore, I have expected to receive a feedback that would deal with the general idea of my message, posted almost 7 days ago and so far left without any official response. We all care about the future, and now the closest future is the match that may crucially affect the final standings of the season. My team and I would in this respect be extremely grateful to the Comittee who is in charge of the competition and to the respectful captain of "Dasha and Bears" for their most careful assessment of the current situation with the fixture "The Lords of XO" vs. "Dasha and Bears".
Sincerely yours, Oleg Bulatowsky on behalf of the Lords of XO | |
| 2017-02-12 23:28:04 • Marek Gorzecki (alicecooperpl) | |
RE: Admin date issue | # 7038 |
| You probably not made an effort to examine too close
for example http://euroleague.cz/php/matchdate.php?pai=1303 YES we prefer admin BUT i ask team if they can play in date proposed by opponent and i LET system accept proposition (NOT admin) (as my mates agreed) so please exclude me and my team from such "cynicly" "violence" becouse it is NOT TRUE please next time be more accurate Mark | |
| 2017-02-12 23:26:27 • Michał Żukowski (zukolepl) | |
RE: Admin date issue | # 7037 |
| Gelo, nice joking.
Zukole PS http://euroleague.cz/php/matchdate.php?pai=1303 (this round) was played today. | |
| 2017-02-10 10:55:45 • Ilya Katsev (bromozel) | |
RE: Дата матча "WayToTheSun" - "Humans-2015" | # 7036 |
| I confirm | |
| 2017-02-10 10:27:47 • Alexey Mikhaylov (off_minor) | |
Дата матча "WayToTheSun" - "Humans-2015" | # 7035 |
| Дата проведения матча 4-го тура "WayToTheSun" - "Humans-2015" согласована капитанами обеих команд - суббота, 11 февраля. Начало матча в 18.00 по Пражскому времени (20.00 по Московскому).
--- Date of a match of the 4th tour "WayToTheSun" - "Humans-2015" is agreed by captains of both teams - Saturday, February 11. The beginning of a match at 18:00 on the Prague time (20.00 on Moscow). | |
| 2017-02-09 22:45:58 • Oleg Bulatowsky (logelo0one) | |
RE: Admin date issue | # 7034 |
| Dear Tomo,
Thank you for your feedback. My message was solely based upon the message exchange which is available online. I will ask Alex about the exact circumstances of your conversation. Back to the current state of affairs: you have replied as the captain of the Slovenian Dragons. What would you reply as a member of the Committee? | |
| 2017-02-09 18:59:23 • Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si) | |
RE: Admin date issue | # 7033 |
| I reply as the captain of SD and not as a member of the Committee.
Oleg, if you dont know all the facts, it would be better to be quite. I remember that we agreed to play on (the last?) Saturday, but noone from your team came. You could easily win with 3 players only, couldnt you? Lamaza obviously forgot to inform you about agreed date or changed it. It was his mistake, sorry. When the time was over, I informed the other member of the Committee, Angst, who was on-line and played their match. He published the news on the Polish form. (You can check there if this was last Saturday or not.) After w.o., I think, but I am not sure, that Lamaza wanted to play on another (admin) date. If he really asked me, I am sure, that I tried to inform my teammates, but we wouldnt have 4 players. We had problems to have 4 players all the season. Number of our players in each round: 4, 3, 5, 4, 3, bye, 4, +- (Lords), 1 (-+). And Lords: 5, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 4, -+ (SD), 5. Who really had problems to play with 4 players than? Btw, we played in the season 2013/14 as well. I have dialogue with Lamaza on FB, when we tried to find a good day. If you want, I can publish it, that you can see if SD really tried to avoid your proposal or not. Do you still think, that SD smelt the blood? I expect your apology. | |
| 2017-02-08 13:38:53 • Oleg Bulatowsky (logelo0one) | |
Admin date issue | # 7032 |
| Dear Committee,
Dear All, I believe it is time to raise the question of the admin date, the issue invented as a panacea for squabbles that have often occurred over the course of date & time arrangements in the EL. It is good indeed to have an effective tool for reducing opposite opinions and either side’s stubbornness to a common denominator, and the Committee came up with this regulation some time ago. However, we can see that this mechanism, originally meant for the common good, is being cynically misused and has now turned into a tool of violence (sometimes being referred to as “date common to all”): http://euroleague.cz/php/matchdate.php?pai=1294 (this season) http://euroleague.cz/php/matchdate.php?pai=1303 (this round) http://euroleague.cz/php/matchdate.php?pai=1302 (this round) http://euroleague.cz/php/matchdate.php?pai=1254 (last season) In the cited instances, one team looks for options, whereas the other one, sensing the smell of blood (as it becomes clear that the opponents can’t play on the admin date & time), enforces the right to get a free point no matter the cost. A good example would be our round 8 story with the Slovenian Dragons in the season of 2014/2015 (http://euroleague.cz/php/matchdate.php?pai=1184) when all excuses were used to squeeze a point of the situation, which could not otherwise be earned in play. Fortunately, that enforced walkover of ours did not affect the final table standings. However, 2 months before that, Demons and Wizards enforced their right to use the admin date against us (http://euroleague.cz/php/matchdate.php?pai=1148), as they had known our captain couldn’t play and the rest was off-shape and had to cancel activities previously planned, and earned the point that decided the whole season. Now, a similar situation is going on: Dasha and Bears disagree to step off the admin date & time (19.02.2016, 19:00 CET), as they are uneager to cooperate. It has been communicated to them that two (loadif, lovage) out of our first four cannot play because of work shifts, another one (lozawrat) is traveling on the plane, and the rest has not been active for many months. Furthermore, another starting four player (lolamaza) will be on a duty trip to Georgia, 3 hours East from the CET. Still, our colleagues strangle the rule over our necks mentioning “preparations” as an excuse for using the evening time, although we have come up with quite a few date & time offers, including the old admin date at 10:00 CET on the 19th. The fact is that we just can’t play if the match starts after 14:00 on the 19th––not because of our stubbornness or wish to cut the opponents’ time to prepare (5 hours cut off 3 weeks––what a huge difference!), but because of objective reasons that can be confirmed with official documents upon request of the Committee. Gentlemen, it is a matter work, something objective that people have to do to make their bread and butter and pay the flat. At stake is one of the matches that will decide the whole season, and we would like to ask the Committee to review this situation and help us find a solution that will prevent the misuse of the EL rules and provide for the decision of the season in play, not in negotiation boxes of the site. Sincerely yours, Oleg Bulatowsky on behalf of the Lords of XO | |
| 2017-01-13 22:20:15 • Alexey Lebedev (wkstealth) | |
RE: Dark Team - Wake; 15.01.2017, 19:00 | # 7025 |
| Yes, we'll play at 19-00 CET on Sunday, 15th | |
| 2017-01-13 22:19:07 • Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst) | |
Dark Team - Wake; 15.01.2017, 19:00 | # 7024 |
| Hello!
We agreed with Wake's captain to play on Sunday, 15.01., at 19:00 Warsaw time. Due to 3-days rule we can't confirm appropriate date in match date section. Kind regards, Angst | |
| 2017-01-02 22:17:16 • Ilya Muratov (wk_bkmz) | |
RE: WayToTheSun - Dasha and bears | # 7021 |
| confirm | |
| 2017-01-02 20:08:03 • Ilya Katsev (bromozel) | |
WayToTheSun - Dasha and bears | # 7020 |
| We decide to play our match at January 5, 19:00 Prague time (21:00 Moscow time) | |
| 2016-04-02 20:25:14 • Igor Eged (ancientdragon) | |
Demons and Wizards : Outsiders | # 7006 |
| Both teams agreed to play at 15:00 tomorrow on 03.04.2016.
I also agree to play 3 vs 3 if the opponents ask us before the match. Thank you. I am also suggesting in the committee that committee should officially publish the list of team admin times at the start of the season and after each change. | |
| 2016-03-28 18:41:44 • Jan Purkrábek (czpaypurkys) | |
Czech payback games | # 7004 |
| Our teams are going to play 31. 3. at 20:30. | |
| 2016-03-05 16:48:17 • Igor Eged (ancientdragon) | |
RE: Outsiders - Dark Team 06.03.; 11:00 | # 7002 |
| I confirm, thanks. | |
| 2016-03-05 16:47:30 • Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst) | |
RE: Outsiders - Dark Team 06.03.; 11:00 | # 7001 |
| OK, finally we agreed to play tomorrow at 12:30!
Best regards, Angst | |
| 2016-03-03 21:41:11 • Igor Eged (ancientdragon) | |
RE: Outsiders - Dark Team 06.03.; 11:00 | # 7000 |
| Yes, I confirm. | |
| 2016-03-03 21:39 • Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst) | |
Outsiders - Dark Team 06.03.; 11:00 | # 6999 |
| Dear All,
We agreed to play our match on Sunday, 2016-03-06, at 11:00 (instead of 15:00). Kind regards, Angst | |
| 2016-02-18 20:46:22 • Alexander Miroshnichenko (fudjin) | |
RE: Last Frontier vs Get Rekt | # 6997 |
| Yes. I confirm. | |
| 2016-02-18 20:44:45 • Łukasz Majksner (scammer) | |
Last Frontier vs Get Rekt | # 6996 |
| We will play our match this Sunday 21.02.2016 18:00 CET. | |
| 2016-01-22 14:43:02 • Alex Lisyutin (bugry75) | |
RE: Wake-Thunderstorm | # 6988 |
| ok | |
| 2016-01-22 14:41:28 • Alexey Lebedev (wkstealth) | |
Wake-Thunderstorm | # 6987 |
| We agreed to play 2016-01-24 at 17-00 CET | |
| 2015-12-27 17:48:57 • Alex Popiel (lolamaza) | |
match date | # 6986 |
| I confirm. | |
| 2015-12-27 17:43:49 • Ilya Katsev (bromozel) | |
The Lords of XO - WayToTheSun | # 6985 |
| Hello! we agreed to play our game tomorrow at 20:15 CET | |
| 2015-12-19 09:08:15 • Alexey Mikhaylov (off_minor) | |
Humans-2015 - Last Frontier | # 6983 |
| Hello. Our team accept this date of a match: 19.12.2015 at 20:00 CET (or 22:00 Moscow time). | |
| 2015-12-18 21:06:50 • Alexander Miroshnichenko (fudjin) | |
Last Frontier - Humans-2015 | # 6982 |
| Hello, sorry, but we didn't manage to agree the date on the site in time. Our game will be tomorrow(19.12.2015) at 20:00 CET or 22:00 Moscow time.
Fudjin | |
| 2015-11-21 14:39:34 • Igor Eged (ancientdragon) | |
The Lords of XO : Outsiders | # 6980 |
| We agreed to play 22.11, 21:00 (in EL messages and then facebook).
In case of 3 players there is agreement to play 3 vs 3. | |
| 2015-05-18 14:27:13 • Jan Purkrábek (czpaypurkys) | |
czech payback vs. Polar | # 6973 |
| match date:today at 19:00, dobrocin. | |
| 2015-05-17 17:39:50 • Jan Purkrábek (czpaypurkys) | |
czech payback vs. Polar | # 6972 |
| We are going to play our match tomorrow evening...match time is still under discussion. | |