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2020-12-23 13:20:07 Zoltán László (scavenger)
Season 20/21
# 7174
Dear All,

I would like to inform you that the season starts on 28th Dec, as well as ELC will publish the decision of the disputed case regarding the participation of Sandra Jones.
2020-12-22 17:56:37 Łukasz Majksner (scammer)
RE: Sandra Jones is a genuine person
# 7173
Of course I did, Ilya, have you ever doubted that? :)

To be more serious, I'm sure you know what I meant - Sandra is not a copy of anybody whose appearance is known to me.

To clarify, the aim of my comments is not to enforce anything related to Sandra's participation in the competition. My message is addressed to the community rather than the ELC. I merely expressed my own conclusions because I found them reasonable and necessary.
2020-12-22 11:19:27 Ilya Katsev (bromozel)
RE: Sandra Jones is a genuine person
# 7172
How can you confirm about "not a copy of anybody"? Did you see photos of all women in gomoku community? o_O
2020-12-21 18:53:22 Łukasz Majksner (scammer)
Sandra Jones is a genuine person
# 7171
To complete my message from yesterday, I would like to say that Sandra Jones decided to provide me some evidence confirming that she is a genuine person, and a woman. The photo I received is confidential, so I cannot show it to anyone, but I confirm that Sandra is indeed a woman, and not a copy of anybody. Sandra also provided a proof that it is her photo indeed.

Whatever the Euroleague Committee finally decides on this case, I find the above mentioned detail important in terms of the gomoku community's composure and well-being.
2020-12-21 13:06:40 Tatiana Volkova (1dalida1)
Let's start the season on December 21!
# 7170
Dear EL Committee,

Let's start the season on December 21!

best regards,
2020-12-21 08:04:37 Pavel Laube (kedlub)
RE: The decisions
# 7169
Dear EL Committee,
it would be very nice to finally start the season - and even better if it can be done according to valid rules. I through EL is a competition for non-anonymous players and I still do not see a reason to change it.
Thank you.
2020-12-21 06:46:48 Marek Gorzecki (alicecooperpl)
RE: The decisions
# 7168
if you play Euroleague with the camera on the back and the screen, I support it
2020-12-20 18:59:56 Sandra Jones (sandra)
RE: The decisions
# 7167
If I play such a match with Alicecooper, showing only my back and display, will I ultimately and irreversibly be allowed to anonymously play in the EL under my pseudonym Sandra Jones without having to provide my actual name to anyone whomsoever?
2020-12-20 17:52:54 Marek Gorzecki (alicecooperpl)
RE: The decisions
# 7166
I, of course, can and agree to play with cameras from either side
2020-12-20 17:23:53 Łukasz Majksner (scammer)
RE: The decisions
# 7165
I did not plan to share my position in this case, as it does not concern me personally, but having realised how far the conflict escalated, I decided to write a few words.

I will try to be as objective as possible, acting neither as anyone's friend or any team's member.

First of all, popularising gomoku by any means is a good thing, and our goal as both organisers and players should be to make this game as popular and competitive as possible, trying to not put our personal conflicts above common sense and enjoyment of the game.

What I know about this case (if I am wrong, please correct me):
1. Sandra Jones was invited (!) to participate in Euroleague as a team member.
2. The EL rules were against that, as they strictly forbade playing under a fake name.
3. Sandra Jones, willing to join the competition, asked the Committee to exceptionally let her play under the name "Sandra Jones" which she had been using for many years in the gomoku community.
4. The Euroleague Committee decided to exceptionally allow Sandra Jones to play under her pseudonym, after approving the requested evidence of Sandra being a real person (as they claimed within the decision).
5. After the Committee's decision Sandra Jones joined the team "MIND INFINITY." led by Ashot Avetisyan.
6. Some players protested and asked the Euroleague Committee to revisit the case.
7. The Euroleague Committee postponed the start of the new EL season by one week.
8. The case has been continued and will reach its end tonight (most likely).

What I have to say:
1. The above mentioned decision of the Euroleague Committee was made just 2 days before the declared start of the new season. Team captains were not informed about it straight away, which means that at least some of them had no real chance to get to know about it and react properly (in particular, complain about it).
2. The above mentioned decision was based on Clause 15.1 of the Euroleague rules: "The Organizers of EL are allowed to change the EL Rules or make exceptions to the rules, if a situation requires this. This should only be used in exceptional circumstances". Unfortunately the Euroleague Committee did not ground it properly, i.e. did not explicitly say why Sandra Jones's case was exceptional and what exactly caused the organisers to allow her to play under her pseudonym. In my opinion such approach is a bit unprofessional and I am not suprised that it caused some angry reactions within the gomoku community, especially taking into account some of Sandra's questionable actions in the past.
3. Personally I do not see a problem with allowing Sandra to play, the problem is with the wrong procedure. If the decision was taken openly, with full transparency, I am sure its perception among other players would be different.

What I propose to do to resolve this issue:
1. Postpone the start of the new EL season by additional two weeks - it's not a big problem, taking into account the upcoming Christmas - New Year holidays when many people are busy with their family life anyway.
2. Write a new, more detailed decision explaining why Sandra is allowed to play under her pseudonym and publish it at least a week before the start of the new season.
3. Notify all team captains about the decision immediately after publishing it.
4. Update the Euroleague Rules (especially Clause 2.4) accordingly, i.e. provide strict conditions that will let you allow players to play under a pseudonym in the future.

BTW, to resolve Alicecooper - Sandra conflict, I suggest organizing an online match between them, where they will be obligated to turn on their webcams. It would be enough if the webcams showed their backs and displays. In this case any doubts both players have against each other can be easily dispelled (of course if both of them agree to play such a match).

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone!
2020-12-20 17:18:29 Marek Gorzecki (alicecooperpl)
RE: The decisions
# 7164
sorry these are not serious explanations, every troll is widely known, sandr is also known for his many lies, manipulations and harmful behavior.
and why do you write "she" if you don't know?
because someone on the internet tells you? iec please ...
2020-12-20 16:55:19 Igor Eged (ancientdragon)
RE: The decisions
# 7163
"extraordinary circumstances":
1) she is consistently known and acting under this one name in the community for years
2) she is an active long term member of the gomoku online community, also was acting as an co-organizer in wbc and promotes various events at many places, especially facebook, vk, polish forum, some renju magazine etc.
3) she has officially asked the committee
2020-12-20 16:36:16 Marek Gorzecki (alicecooperpl)
RE: The decisions
# 7162
short: nobody knows, no real confirmation => do not play.
and again: what are the extraordinary circumstances for an exception?
why everyone else has to be credible or they get punished and not here?
I am against unjustified privileges
2020-12-20 16:08:34 Igor Eged (ancientdragon)
RE: The decisions
# 7161
I am replying from my own point of view as a committee member and EL organizer, not for the whole committee.

1) because she was just recently invited to a team and decided to give it a try
2) we used an exception based on 15.1 rule and we informed about our decision in the decisions forum
3) the past is gone and an opinion may always change depending on circumstances
4) no

My position is we should welcome any new player to our competition and Sandra is consistently acting in our community for years under the same name, it's a genuine person despite the fact her name is not known.

If the captains want to see someone else in the committee, it's always open to discussion, but remember it's an unpaid work in our free time.

You have protested and based on that we started a survey among captains, but it's questionable how fair it is towards Sandra after we already published our previous decision and the survey will be finished only today, last day before the start of new season.
I agree we messed up and proved we cannot really act too swiftly in the last moments, and now it seems likely that all parties cannot end up being happy with the final solution at this point.

Marek, are you sure you are not acting like this against her just because of some personal conflicts with her? What is the worst thing her participation can cause to you? If anyone does anything foul in our competition, he can be always expelled based on the committee decision, but I don't think anything like that is about to be expected in this case.

2020-12-20 03:58:26 Marek Gorzecki (alicecooperpl)
The decisions
# 7160
1) The previous Euroleague season ended 6 months ago.
What special circumstances caused the announcement by the committee a few days before the start of the new season? willingness to avoid discussion?

2) In the regulations we have a clearly defined situation when you can play anonymously (2.4 you must inform the captains),
what is extraordinary that the commission is avoiding it instead of using the bylaws?
Does the committee trust anonymous more than the Euroleague captains? I think all players are curious about the answers.

3) What is the value of a player who repeatedly stated that it is not worth playing in the Euroleague?

4) Has anyone played live gomoku / renju with anonymous? (has anyone seen him live, who?) if not, the committee may resign or answer questions and consider the matter seriously.

Until I know the answers to these questions (4 in particular) I am against making such exceptions.

PS There are advantages and disadvantages to being anonymous, but it is a conscious choice, and it is not fair to others to use only advantages.
2020-12-19 22:03:59 Sandra Jones (sandra)
Thank you very much
# 7159
My heart is full of gratitude. It has been decided that I am allowed to play in the Euroleague under under my pseudonym Sandra Jones and do not have to use my actual name: . As a Western scientist who has to be extremely careful using her name on the Internet, I am so happy that the gomoku community was able to understand my situation and make an exception from the Euroleague rules for me. Sure, I did have to spend time and effort to explain things and provide evidence to the Euroleague Committee to support my case, including my PhD certificate and a screenshot of my account in Physical Review Letters, the leading physics journal, but I am happy that a positive decision was taken in the end.

Motivated by such a kind decision, I decided to do something good for the gomoku community in return: starting in January, I will organize a series of regular online tournaments with a monetary prize of 15€ in each tournament. Because giving the monetary prize to the winner would only provoke cheating, I will instead give the monetary prize to a random participant, with the aim being to attract as many participants as possible. The algorithm of selecting the lucky participant in each tournament will be absolutely transparent and based on an unpredictable number like the exact official exchange rate for a certain pair of currencies on the day following the tournament day. The money will be transferred to the lucky participant in bitcoins. Eligible for the lottery for any given tournament will be all those who play all rounds in that tournament and do the same in the one-minute tournament to be organized right after it.

I humbly hope that by attracting a large number of participants, I will give any player an excellent opportunity to enjoy truly exciting tournaments. And who knows --- maybe this will help make gomoku great again, like in the good old times when tournaments with 100+ participants were held on Kurnik.

Remember: Sandra can appreciate favors and be grateful!
2020-12-13 17:13:05 Manó Gyenei (7uptorpe)
Admin date for 7up
# 7157
Hello! 7up Team wants to set the time of the admin date at 17:00 Prague time.
Thank you!
2020-12-13 17:12:05 Csaba Kamarás (owcsaba)
Admin date for Only We team
# 7156
Hello! Only We team wants to set the time of the admin date at 17:00 Prague time.
Thank you!
2020-12-12 18:10:09 Tatiana Volkova (1dalida1)
Admin date for Thunderstorm team
# 7154
Hello everyone! We (Thunderstorm) want to set admin date on 17:00 server time (Prague time)
2020-12-10 02:48:43 emily panna (akhale)
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# 7153
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2019-12-07 15:02:55 Peter Jonsson (peterjo)
Are you interested to play for Luffarna?
# 7146
Hello Gomoku friends!

This season Luffarna has a problem. We are only four players and it is very difficult for us to find a suitable date when all four of us can play. So, we are looking for two or three more players who would like to take part during the rest of the season. Are you interested or do you know someone else who is? Please contact me at petejonsson(a)
Peter Jonsson, Captain
2019-11-29 18:11:36 Csaba Kamarás (owcsaba)
admin date
# 7145
As a captain of Only We team, I asked you if neccessary please set up our ADMIN date at 15:00.
Thank you
2017-12-17 18:41:42 Alexey Mikhaylov (off_minor)
# 7090
Dear participants of Euroleague, dear captains of teams, dear Committee!
Let me congratulate all on the beginning of a new season, and let me make the official statement (this action is demanded from me - as from the captain - the rules of a tournament).
In our team "Humans-2015" plays Alexander Ezupov from Saint Peter under the creative pseudonym "Indeets". His nick on - "blockforlove". And his profile on the website -
"Indeets" is his creative pseudonym, I repeat.
Thus I have notified all players - our future rivals on identity.
In addition, I will report (duplicate) this information to the captain of the rival-team before the each match (instantly after the publication of the schedule of a tour).
2017-12-17 18:40:33 Alexey Mikhaylov (off_minor)
Официальное сообщение
# 7089
Уважаемые участники Евролиги, уважаемые капитаны команд, уважаемый Комитет!
Разрешите мне поздравить вас всех со стартом нового сезона, а также сделать официальное сообщение (что требуют от меня, как от капитана команды, правила Евролиги).
В нашей команде "Humans-2015" играет Александр Езупов из Санкт-Петербурга под творческим псевдонимом Индеец. Его ник на - "blockforlove". И его профиль на сайте -
Повторюсь, Индеец - это его творческий псевдоним.
Таким образом я установил соответствие, и официально всех об этом уведомил.
Дополнительно, я обязуюсь сообщать аналогичную информацию капитану каждой команды, с кем нас будет сводить жребий, немедленно после публикации расписания каждого тура.
2017-12-17 12:05:30 Igor Eged (ancientdragon)
Admin date team Outsiders
# 7088
Admin date for our team in the coming season remains at 15:00.
2017-10-28 14:47:41 Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst)
In memoriam Kacper (Dein)
# 7087
I deeply regret to inform you, that Kacper (Dein), Dark Tem member, passed away on 25th of October.

Kacper was a co-founder of Polish Gomoku Renju Pente Association, who played some live tournaments in the past and was very active on the Internet, playing numerous online and offline competitions, not only in gomoku, but also renju and pente games. He played also in the Euroleague since the very beginning and was the very important member of Dark Team, helping us to win gold (2008) and silver (2017) medals.

As Polish and Dark Team captain, I would like to emphasize that Kacper was really friendly, reliable, trustworthy man, with unique playing style. And it was an honor and pleasure for me to be a part of one team together.

Rest in peace, Kacper
2017-04-14 22:42:04 Łukasz Majksner (scammer)
RE: The Euroleague Committee is inconsistent
# 7086
As a participant of the EL and the captain of an EL team, I would like to hear what the EL Committee has to say to what Sandra posted. Why are some players allowed to violate the rule while others aren't?
2017-04-14 22:06:31 Sandra Jones (sandra)
RE: The Euroleague Committee is inconsistent
# 7085
It has now been a month since my message below, and there has been no action or reaction by the Committee.

So Mr. Ezupov still plays as "Alexandr Indeets," thereby knowingly and willingly violating the rule, and earned 8 points out of 8 under that pseudonym in a recent EL match played just a few days ago, on Sun 9 Apr.

Likewise, Asandrey still plays as "Andrzej Kostecki" and earned 6.5 points out of 8 in an EL match played on the same day.

And the EL Commitee does not allow me to play under my pseudonym "Sandra Jones," because each player must provide the real name. Hilarious.
2017-03-24 13:37:59 Igor Eged (ancientdragon)
Finishing the round
# 7081
Hi all,
it seems most matches will be finished/replayed this weekend.

If possible, please inform others about the match times in the Dates forum.

The already finished games before the server crash do count, only the unfinished games or games that have not been started yet have to be replayed.

Teams should try to come with the same players, but if it's not possible and both captains agree, some exception from the substitution rule would be possible.

We hope there won't be more problems with the playing site, but if that would happen, the teams are allowed to play/finish their match on playok based on mutual agreement, if possible with the same nicks, if not, ideally one captain should put the match result in with EL nicks and the second one confirm the result so we don't have to deal with it afterwards.

Unfortunately there is no fisher control on playok, so I suggest to play 10 min per player, or if both teams agree, it can be also 15.
2017-03-14 01:00:18 Łukasz Majksner (scammer)
RE: The Euroleague Committee is inconsistent
# 7068
If it's true and Euroleague Committee lets players who violate the rules play and additionally is inconsistent about that (some "chosen" players can do it, others can't), then I have only one thing to say:

Euroleague Committee has to be changed.
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