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2011-01-10 22:24:04 Michał Żukowski (zukolepl)
RE: break in match
# 5230

"as our current opens and particular branches have been revealed."

Yes and you loss first round 2-6 so nice.

2011-01-10 22:18:04 Marek Gorzecki (alicecooperpl)
RE: break in match
# 5229
1) i wish to be nice so i propose to play
2) but i see You won't play only becouse afraid (so want draw without playing)
3) in this case i ask committee to fulfill duties and decide

"7.7.If the server ( does not work, the teams have to wait 30 minutes and:"

we (DaW) back on server after ca 25 minutes
but the Lords go out !
only their captain left and he say that they not wish to continue match

so i ask: They do not wait 30 min so what committee decide?
is rule 7.7 only empty words?

PS please don't tell us "you have all round to play" becouse we have not
when we propose match date, the Lords say "My team have voted for Jan. 9, and this is our first and last say."

2011-01-10 21:17:47 Ilya Katsev (lobromozel)
RE: break in match
# 5228
Good evening

We highly respect our Round 3 opponent team, which is why we tried to postpone the match on the last day of the Round and we kept preparing a lot. Unfortunately, a rematch could wind our prolonged preparations away, as our current opens and particular branches have been revealed. We believe that a rematch would decrease our chances compared to the match that, unfortunately, due to the server failure, could not succeed yesterday. This is the main reason why we decline the rematch offer, which results in a permanent draw according to the Euroleague rule 7.8.3.

The three players on our team are having examinations right now, whilst the remaining four are relatively aged and have serious jobs and obligations other than studentship and playing gomoku, which is why we cannot afford organized gathering on a more frequent basis than once a month.

We sincerely wish you good luck in the forthcoming rounds.

Best regards,
2011-01-09 20:50:37 Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si)
RE: break in match
# 5209
You can play a new match during the next round if both captains agree. Read the rules 7.8.1. and 7.8.3.
2011-01-09 20:48:47 Ádám Varga (songokukek)
Kulonleges Erook-GDC
# 5208
1.round :
elizabethkek-bye: +;-

pule-bye: +;-

songoku-bye : +;-
rolandka-robca: 2-0
elizabeth-zeyferos: 1-1 (1-0,0-1)

songoku-robca: 2-0
rolandkaa-bye: +;-
elizabeth-mbica: 2-0
2011-01-09 20:30:44 Marek Gorzecki (alicecooperpl)
break in match
# 5207
We (Demons and Wizards) start play today match with The Lords of XO
after first round server throw us and we cannot play in for near 25 minutes
We want continue match so i ask the Lords what date is suitable?
2010-12-23 17:51:43 Andrey Sviridov (cr_spartak)
RE: cRUS - Superteam_
# 5186
Zukole you know too much. Don't you afraid? :-))

Frankly dunno why it is 1-0. I did not make any changes. Maybe EL site knows future.
2010-12-23 14:02:27 Michał Żukowski (zukolepl)
cRUS - Superteam_
# 5185 why is 1-0 for cRUS if match is on 19:30? :-)
2010-12-21 22:00:05 Michał Żukowski (zukolepl)
ani za prase - rockfall
# 5178 :D:D:D:D:D:D
2010-12-06 18:41:03 Csilla Vassné B. (th_vacsi)
RE: Trojan Horse - Ani za Prase
# 5094
Thank you zukole,you are right !

Suchuch missed this result and me too,sorry.

Ani za prase : Trojan Horse 9:23
2010-12-05 21:49:49 Michał Żukowski (zukolepl)
Trojan Horse - Ani za Prase
# 5092
Was 23-9, not 24-8

th_zakka - : metalmessiah 1:1

zakka 4/8
metalmessiah 2/8
2010-11-22 13:54:06 Andrey Sviridov (cr_spartak)
RE: cRUSaders vs
# 5051
Hello friends and particular committee members!

I would like to say that yesterday i changed detailed match result in cRUSaders vs GDC game. We played 2 rounds after wich our opponents dissapeared (exept thier captain). Thus i added results of first 2 rounds. I also think captain of GDC did not have enought time to approve result after my editing. And the team should not be punished with pp for the rule 9.3.
2010-11-22 10:48:23 Ilya Katsev (lobromozel)
RE: KE - The Lords
# 5050

Okey, I will change the results of the games.
2010-11-22 10:22:47 Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si)
RE: KE - The Lords
# 5049
Hi, Alex,

sorry, but you made 3 substitutions and the result of the games shuakek - lonirvana(or noplayer) will be +/-, +/-.
We had a similar situation in the previous season, when players E and F replaced A and B. In the last round of the match A replaced E again and this is also not allowed, although a team played with 6 players and not with the 7 ones as your team.
Your team will get just some pp. Read the rules carefully again. If you have any questions/suggestion..., write on the forum EL/rules.

2010-11-22 09:02:49 Michał Żukowski (zukolepl)
RE: Company - Demons
# 5048
Ok, is good, sorry :)
2010-11-22 00:51:16 Michał Żukowski (zukolepl)
Company - Demons
# 5047
I approve match results Company - Demons and Wizards, Alicecooper doesnt have access to internet :-)
2010-11-21 21:14:58 Alex Popiel (lolamaza)
RE: KE - The Lords
# 5046
Dear Committee,

I feel I have to explain the whole situation. Our team does lack some experience in casuistic issues and this is true that during the fixture between The Lords of XO and Kulonleges Erook (26:6), 3 players of The Lords were subbed. After round 2, logelo0one and loraficus were subbed by loigor and lobromozel, whilst after round 3, lonirvana was subbed by lolamaza. We did not know about rule 5.6 and this is of course our fault. Nevertheless, the issue raised by zukole, a reputable person, is not entirely legal.

Rule 5.6 says that “It is allowed to change twice in the match,” but nothing is explicitly stated whether or not a change must be single or, videlicet, double. Had there been a direct wording, viz. “only 6 players may play in a fixture, whilst the 7th player substitution is followed by [a penalty point]” we would gladly obey the rule which must not allow for additional readings. However, it does so now.

I do entirely confess that I had not read the rule at issue before today’s fixture and will do my best not to let anything like this happen in the future, but please take it into consideration, that there is no explicit statement with respect to the exact number of the players taking part in the fixture, as, say, it is stated in football rules (viz., “The eleven players are supplemented by the option to bring on a maximum of three substitutes from a pre-decided list of three to seven players...”).

I hope that this incident will not cast a shadow over the good name of The Lords of XO and will be carefully addressed by those, To Whom It May Concern, if my explanations do not satisfy them.

Yours sincerely,
2010-11-21 20:48:08 Michał Żukowski (zukolepl)
KE - The Lords
# 5045
Can someone explain The Lords, that can make only two changes, so can play six players ?:) Lamaza has problem with rules :)
2010-11-17 15:55:03 Michał Żukowski (zukolepl)
RE: cRUSaders vs GDC
# 5042
You have nice team :-)
2010-11-16 20:40:43 Jiří Šimůnek (zeyferos)
cRUSaders vs GDC
# 5040
cRUSaders = win

Most of players from GDC team left after they saw they have no chance against cRUSaders.
2010-05-09 23:03:33 Peter Jonsson (peterjo)
Match infinite llamas - luffarna
# 4898
On Sunday May 9 we had no opponent. We waited for quite a long time. I did not write any results but let this be done by admin.

Peter Jonsson Captain Luffarna
2010-05-08 18:05:02 Michał Żukowski (zukolepl)
Biysk - Company 16:12
# 4896
Biysk - Company 16:12

01 - an24 1:1
sergey - rakdar 0:2
vitaliy - noname1 +:-
noname1 - noname2 -:-


01 - noname2 +:-
sergey - an24 2:0
vitaliy - rakdar 0:2
noname1 - noname1 -:-


01 - noname1 +:-
sergey - noname2 +:-
vitaliy - an24 1:1
noname1 - rakdar -:+


01 - rakdar 0:2
sergey - noname1 +:-
vitaliy - noname2 +:-
noname1 - an24 -:+



sergey 2-2
01 1-3
vitaliy 1-3


rakdar 6-0
an24 2-4
2010-04-26 11:47:22 Andrey Sviridov (cr_spartak)
cRUSaders - Czech Layback
# 4861

Sorry for not filling results. My fault. Thanks to Jan Purkrábek.

My 5 pp to our team.
2010-04-19 20:40:03 Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si)
RE: infinite llamas - Midi Rod NG
# 4837
Fill in the results in Match result. Committee (and your teammate) agreed that Malutki3000 could play with the nick Rosicky. When you write results, use the nick Malutki3000, which is registered.
2010-04-19 17:20:13 Miroslav Háša (czlgregi)
infinite llamas - Midi Rod NG
# 4836
i am sorry, i didn't play this match and my team members say, that we played with 2 players(mrteuse, mrtaalento). I didn't know how to write results. So, there are results:

rosicky - mrteuse 1-0 1-0 2-0
illkubica - mrtaalento 1-0 0-1 1-1

illkubica - mrteuse 1-0 0-1 1-1
illtruskawek - mrtaalento 0-1 1-0 1-1

illsosnowieec - mrteuse 0-1 0-1 0-2
r0sicky - mrtaalento +/- 0-1 1-1

illtruskawek - mrteuse 0-1 0.5-0.5 0.5-1.5
illsosnowieec - mrtaalento 0-1 1-0 1-1

infinite llamas 23.5 - 8.5 Midi Rod NG
2010-04-19 10:39:12 Csilla Vassné B. (th_vacsi)
Superteam vs Trojan Horse
# 4833
Hello !

On 18. of April at 19:00 we were waiting for the team Superteam till 19:30.
There was only one player in kaszuny from Superteam : stfederer.He didn't know anything about other players of them.
We are very sorry this kind of "win" ...
I wrote nothing in "match result" , I think it will be filled by admins.

vacsi and Trojan Horse
2010-04-08 21:47:34 Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si)
RE: Klub Rzeszow - Team Mollo
# 4809

I didnt say anything about the mouth and you didnt read well between the lines. I explained the rules about the competences of the committee and its members. All captains agreed with that rules and therefore nobody cant take these competences.

When Iec and later Angst explained the reasons about our final decision, they summarized reasons from all members who voted for the result 16:16. All members didnt vote for such decision, but mayority ones did. It is not necessary that every member tells his reasons separately (and public), not even how every member voted. If I would vote again after all this hot discusion, I would vote the same, but I dont tell you how. No one cant force me his mind.

I hope, it is more clear now.
2010-04-07 23:20:27 Pavel Laube (kedlub)
RE: Klub Rzeszow - Team Mollo
# 4807
Nice indeed..
It is really sad for me that after so many comments about this matter here (not mentioning some silly "Angst polish power" speculations), reaction of the committe is almost like.."Are you in the committe? No? Than keep you mouth shut and don't teach me the rules, we don't need to explain anything!" However, I think you really should explain! I consider it very normal that the control body explains arguments for its important decisions (as this might of course become a precedent). There is e.g. still the most important question of many here, how did you come to conclusion that there was really fully understood "gentleman agreement", which remains unanswered.
I'm glad that at least Angst explained us his reasons. However, it seems that I "understood very well his previous explanation" and I find it "weird" indeed, if the only reason for him was that Zathras stance was written by his team-mates (I can imagine hundreds of reasons why he possibly didn't write it himself - especially when no one from committe asked him to do that). When I wrote to ask you for faster decision making I really didn't want to force you to decision without any necessary information(which apparently happened), so I'm sorry!
However I understand the uneasy situation of Angst and others, who wanted to decide fast. Perhaps they decided even good, I don't know. But please, don't take the further discussion or critique as an offence! Although the result is done and cannot be changed, it would be still nice to make it all a bit more clear..
2010-04-07 19:29:36 Monika Kolouchová (olsava)
RE: Klub Rzeszow - Team Mollo
# 4805
Angst is right. A committee has 5 members, everyone voted according to his own opinion and 3 vote were needed...
What seems easy at first sight is sometimes very hard when you have to decide rightly about it...
2010-04-07 19:25:20 Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si)
RE: Klub Rzeszow - Team Mollo
# 4804
After so hot discusion, including the players from other teams, I have decided to reply once again, although this case is closed.

All captains had confirmed the rules before EL started. The committee is main authority of GEL and can decide in serious cases (not only fair play problems) (rule 10.2). The organizers of GEL are allowed to change the rules or make exceptions to the rules, if a situation requires this. This should only be used in exceptional circumstances (rule 15.1). I am a member of committee from the season 06/07 and I can confirm, that noone has influence on other(s), not even Ales, when he was a member. He had/has just right to power of veto at important changing rules. We persuasion each others by arguments only. I have never noticed that two members »work in pair« agaist the others or that one member vote for his nation. Sometimes a member abtains from voting because his vote maybe not be objective. I trust to every member to work honest and fair, although we have sometimes different opinions.

Everyone had chance to become a member of committee 2 month ago. I really cant understand that, except 2 candidates, no one wants to work in the committee, but now, there are more players, from the other teams as well, who want to teach a committee how to interpret the rules. Sorry, but you cant do that.

I mention 2 cases, although this is not in the usual way. First: Team Mollo, 2nd round, 8+5 = 13pp for playing 3 vs. 3, TM made 1 substitution, no protest from anyone. After a week one member of committee asked the others how was possible to interpret the rule 5.2 as well. There were 2 possible interpretations:
a) 1 missing player the whole match (playing with 3 players the whole match) --> 5+8pp
b) Infact TM played with 4 players in the match (but in every round one is missing) --> 8pp only.
Both interpretation are correct, but all members agreed with b).
Second: Malutki3000. According to the rule 2.6 we didnt allow Eurogomoku to change his nick when he changed a team. Malutki was a bit different case, but we cant agreed at once. But when the opponent team agreed, that he could play with a new nick, the final decision was very easy.
These 2 cases prove, that we can write 30 pages of the rules, but we cant foresee each possible situation. Therefore we have to discuse about unpredictable situations individually.

Everyone is wellcome to present his/her views of rules in the forum Rules. Thanks!
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