| 2011-01-11 15:40:48 • Pavel Laube (kedlub) | |
RE: Oh, this is just precious. | # 5248 |
| Oh yes, another sad example of how "friendly" our dear Euroleague could be. I can well imagine how pissed must Demons feel, as they lost a clear win in such a way. No doubt that Lords have just proved that they are ready to do anything to get the point, but...unfortunatelly, they only took advantage of the valid rules.
This is certainly not the first time it has happened. You might remember the third or fourth season, when the server fell down during the match of Polar Bears and Crusaders. Crusaders rejected the rematch and as the both teams won all the other matches, Crus won by Buch the whole competition. Certainly very sad for gomoku. And so is our current example, especially when Lords seemed to lose easily, but.. according to the current rules I don't see any way how to force them to play the rematch. The rule of 30 minutes is obviously not applicable here (viz. lolamaza's message). Do you think it's unacceptable? Suggest better rules then. Or do with the fact that this is an internet competition and we can rely only on the politeness of each other (which is sadly often missing). Cheers, Ked | |
| 2011-01-11 12:09:17 • Costinas Beniamin (vlh_dragon) | |
Oh, this is just precious. | # 5243 |
| Yesterday i was on the phone with mystartx. We talked about our situation, and he asked me what do i think about your case. I said, that the russian team would most likely take advantage of the situation (since they were being crushed from the begining... 2nd round wasn't looking any brighter either for lords) and i said that would be a in our advantage (Valahia's). But that's a subjective opinion, and a part of our private discussion.
I was not aware of this, i barely responded on our case, yesterday. Now that i see this, it's even funnier. I will summarize my humble opinion as following: 1. The lords of xo seized the opportunity and went for the draw (as i predicted for myself and mystartx). I can understand the judgement from their point of view(it may be the wisest decizion... but the UNFAIR one). 2. I won't say anything about fair play (because i can't find it anywhere in their action). 3. The comitee should not give them satisfaction, and decide a rematch (if not now, after the end of EL). 4. I agree with dredd. Is it just me that sees "some" similarities in the 2 "special" cases of round 3? | |
| 2011-01-10 23:17:20 • Michał Żukowski (zukolepl) | |
RE: Re: break in match (aka nerve storm) | # 5239 |
| I wrote that yours openings was not top secret as wrotes Bromozel, nothing else.
Pls don't write respect, you're not funny. oh sorry, who has problem with understanding mine english ? :F | |
| 2011-01-10 23:12:28 • Vlad Nipoti (czpaybtc) | |
RE: Re: break in match (aka nerve storm) | # 5238 |
| Just one correction.
"And, finally, with respect to the statement on our captain's "too late to play," it must have been about the server that was continuously fading, not the team members. Maybe a misunderstanding between two non-natives of English :)" It was me, who spoke to your captain. And it understanding of two russian speakers... But these are just details... Maybe it is not Zukole's self-confidence but just your lack of confidence. cdb | |
| 2011-01-10 22:54:25 • Alex Popiel (lolamaza) | |
Re: break in match (aka nerve storm) | # 5236 |
| Dear Opponents:
With respect to Zukole's perfect wording mentioning the fact that our team was down after the first round, I can say that the same had happened during the fixture with North Pole, which, however, could not prevent us from winning the whole match. So please do not flatter your self-confidence too much. With respect to highly esteemed AliceCooper who mentioned the fact that after only 25 minutes the DW players were back on site, I can say that personally I could not and I can prove it with the corresponding data (two automatic print-screens taken on 19.55 CET [My game with Zukole, move 29] and 20.25 CET; and a manually taken print-screen of 20.27 CET) showing that the server was still down, the data being available from me at any time by request. With respect to another statement by AliceCooper of our captain's presence on the site while all of the other LXO players could not access it, he told us later that he never left the site and it did sometimes refresh for those users who had not abandoned the page. In the meanwhile we were trying to access the site but unfortunately failed to do so due to reasons not depending on us. And, finally, with respect to the statement on our captain's "too late to play," it must have been about the server that was continuously fading, not the team members. Maybe a misunderstanding between two non-natives of English :) | |
| 2011-01-10 22:52:24 • Marek Gorzecki (alicecooperpl) | |
RE: break in match | # 5235 |
| some statistics: (all taken from playok)
cuartodebano lost 18:53 back 19:36 after 43 min devotionpl lost 18:53 back 19:19 after 26 min dwgacul lost 18:53 back 19:36 after 43 min pczukole lost 18:53 back 19:18 after 25 min alicecooperpl lost 18:53 back 19:22 after 29 min so we have 3 players ready to play BEFORE 30 min period | |
| 2011-01-10 22:41:23 • Ilya Katsev (lobromozel) | |
RE: break in match | # 5234 |
| How many answers!
I only say the next: 1. We also were kicked out. Several times the server looks at working but only for seconds, after it it was down again. 2. It was longer than 30 minuts. 3. After it we have no reason to think that server started to work correctly and in the near future there will be no troubles. | |
| 2011-01-10 22:24:51 • Vlad Nipoti (czpaybtc) | |
RE: break in match | # 5231 |
| Hello The Lords,
I would like to comment your statement. The situation was following. During the failure of Playok.com players from Czech republic, Poland, Hungary were kicked out whereas players from Russia and Ukraine were not. Unfortunately we managed to get to the playing room maybe a bit later than 30 minutes. When we did, the captain of the Lords reamined. Others went away with the excuse of being too late for playing, although accoring to the schedule it would have been only the end of second round. So the match would have taken a bit more time, if the opponent had wanted. 7.8. If the server (www.kurnik.org) does not work and some games of the match has been played and some players can not continue in their match, then: this rule means this: 7.8. If the server (www.kurnik.org) does not work and some games of the match has been played and some players DOES NOT WANT TO continue in their match, then: I find excuse like " Preparation took us a long time and it would be in vain" paarticularly unsuitable in this case, as they had got chance to play on. One more question. If the result had been 15,5:0,5 and there was server failure, it would have ended up like draw too? Apparently there are some lacks in the rules or I mistake something. I thought that Euroleague was about playing and competition. AFter this round and those two cases I may change my opinion. Kind regards cuartodebaño | |
| 2011-01-10 22:24:04 • Michał Żukowski (zukolepl) | |
RE: break in match | # 5230 |
| LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
"as our current opens and particular branches have been revealed." Yes and you loss first round 2-6 so nice. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL | |
| 2011-01-10 22:18:04 • Marek Gorzecki (alicecooperpl) | |
RE: break in match | # 5229 |
| 1) i wish to be nice so i propose to play
2) but i see You won't play only becouse afraid (so want draw without playing) 3) in this case i ask committee to fulfill duties and decide "7.7.If the server (www.kurnik.org) does not work, the teams have to wait 30 minutes and:" we (DaW) back on server after ca 25 minutes but the Lords go out ! only their captain left and he say that they not wish to continue match so i ask: They do not wait 30 min so what committee decide? is rule 7.7 only empty words? PS please don't tell us "you have all round to play" becouse we have not when we propose match date, the Lords say "My team have voted for Jan. 9, and this is our first and last say." Mark | |
| 2011-01-10 21:17:47 • Ilya Katsev (lobromozel) | |
RE: break in match | # 5228 |
| Good evening
We highly respect our Round 3 opponent team, which is why we tried to postpone the match on the last day of the Round and we kept preparing a lot. Unfortunately, a rematch could wind our prolonged preparations away, as our current opens and particular branches have been revealed. We believe that a rematch would decrease our chances compared to the match that, unfortunately, due to the server failure, could not succeed yesterday. This is the main reason why we decline the rematch offer, which results in a permanent draw according to the Euroleague rule 7.8.3. The three players on our team are having examinations right now, whilst the remaining four are relatively aged and have serious jobs and obligations other than studentship and playing gomoku, which is why we cannot afford organized gathering on a more frequent basis than once a month. We sincerely wish you good luck in the forthcoming rounds. Best regards, Ilya | |
| 2011-01-09 20:50:37 • Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si) | |
RE: break in match | # 5209 |
| You can play a new match during the next round if both captains agree. Read the rules 7.8.1. and 7.8.3. | |
| 2011-01-09 20:48:47 • Ádám Varga (songokukek) | |
Kulonleges Erook-GDC | # 5208 |
| 1.round :
songokukek-mbica:2-0 rolandkaakek-zeyferos:2-0 pulekek-robca:2-0 elizabethkek-bye: +;- 2.round: songoku-zeyferos:2-0 rolandkaa-mbica:2-0 elizabeth-robca:2-0 pule-bye: +;- 3.round: songoku-bye : +;- rolandka-robca: 2-0 elizabeth-zeyferos: 1-1 (1-0,0-1) pule-mbica:2-0 4.round: songoku-robca: 2-0 amobaba-zeyferos:2-0 rolandkaa-bye: +;- elizabeth-mbica: 2-0 | |
| 2011-01-09 20:30:44 • Marek Gorzecki (alicecooperpl) | |
break in match | # 5207 |
| Heloo
We (Demons and Wizards) start play today match with The Lords of XO after first round server throw us and we cannot play in for near 25 minutes We want continue match so i ask the Lords what date is suitable? | |
| 2010-12-23 17:51:43 • Andrey Sviridov (cr_spartak) | |
RE: cRUS - Superteam_ | # 5186 |
| Zukole you know too much. Don't you afraid? :-))
Frankly dunno why it is 1-0. I did not make any changes. Maybe EL site knows future. | |
| 2010-12-23 14:02:27 • Michał Żukowski (zukolepl) | |
cRUS - Superteam_ | # 5185 |
| http://euroleague.cz/php/resultdetails.php?pai=764 why is 1-0 for cRUS if match is on 19:30? :-) | |
| 2010-12-21 22:00:05 • Michał Żukowski (zukolepl) | |
ani za prase - rockfall | # 5178 |
| http://euroleague.cz/php/resultdetails.php?pai=766 :D:D:D:D:D:D | |
| 2010-12-06 18:41:03 • Csilla Vassné B. (th_vacsi) | |
RE: Trojan Horse - Ani za Prase | # 5094 |
| Thank you zukole,you are right !
Suchuch missed this result and me too,sorry. Ani za prase : Trojan Horse 9:23 | |
| 2010-12-05 21:49:49 • Michał Żukowski (zukolepl) | |
Trojan Horse - Ani za Prase | # 5092 |
| Was 23-9, not 24-8
th_zakka - : metalmessiah 1:1 zakka 4/8 metalmessiah 2/8 | |
| 2010-11-22 13:54:06 • Andrey Sviridov (cr_spartak) | |
RE: cRUSaders vs | # 5051 |
| Hello friends and particular committee members!
I would like to say that yesterday i changed detailed match result in cRUSaders vs GDC game. We played 2 rounds after wich our opponents dissapeared (exept thier captain). Thus i added results of first 2 rounds. I also think captain of GDC did not have enought time to approve result after my editing. And the team should not be punished with pp for the rule 9.3. | |
| 2010-11-22 10:48:23 • Ilya Katsev (lobromozel) | |
RE: KE - The Lords | # 5050 |
| Hi
Okey, I will change the results of the games. | |
| 2010-11-22 10:22:47 • Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si) | |
RE: KE - The Lords | # 5049 |
| Hi, Alex,
sorry, but you made 3 substitutions and the result of the games shuakek - lonirvana(or noplayer) will be +/-, +/-. We had a similar situation in the previous season, when players E and F replaced A and B. In the last round of the match A replaced E again and this is also not allowed, although a team played with 6 players and not with the 7 ones as your team. Your team will get just some pp. Read the rules carefully again. If you have any questions/suggestion..., write on the forum EL/rules. Regards, jezek | |
| 2010-11-22 09:02:49 • Michał Żukowski (zukolepl) | |
RE: Company - Demons | # 5048 |
| Ok, is good, sorry :) | |
| 2010-11-22 00:51:16 • Michał Żukowski (zukolepl) | |
Company - Demons | # 5047 |
| I approve match results Company - Demons and Wizards, Alicecooper doesnt have access to internet :-) | |
| 2010-11-21 21:14:58 • Alex Popiel (lolamaza) | |
RE: KE - The Lords | # 5046 |
| Dear Committee,
I feel I have to explain the whole situation. Our team does lack some experience in casuistic issues and this is true that during the fixture between The Lords of XO and Kulonleges Erook (26:6), 3 players of The Lords were subbed. After round 2, logelo0one and loraficus were subbed by loigor and lobromozel, whilst after round 3, lonirvana was subbed by lolamaza. We did not know about rule 5.6 and this is of course our fault. Nevertheless, the issue raised by zukole, a reputable person, is not entirely legal. Rule 5.6 says that “It is allowed to change twice in the match,” but nothing is explicitly stated whether or not a change must be single or, videlicet, double. Had there been a direct wording, viz. “only 6 players may play in a fixture, whilst the 7th player substitution is followed by [a penalty point]” we would gladly obey the rule which must not allow for additional readings. However, it does so now. I do entirely confess that I had not read the rule at issue before today’s fixture and will do my best not to let anything like this happen in the future, but please take it into consideration, that there is no explicit statement with respect to the exact number of the players taking part in the fixture, as, say, it is stated in football rules (viz., “The eleven players are supplemented by the option to bring on a maximum of three substitutes from a pre-decided list of three to seven players...”). I hope that this incident will not cast a shadow over the good name of The Lords of XO and will be carefully addressed by those, To Whom It May Concern, if my explanations do not satisfy them. Yours sincerely, Alex | |
| 2010-11-21 20:48:08 • Michał Żukowski (zukolepl) | |
KE - The Lords | # 5045 |
| Can someone explain The Lords, that can make only two changes, so can play six players ?:) Lamaza has problem with rules :) | |
| 2010-11-17 15:55:03 • Michał Żukowski (zukolepl) | |
RE: cRUSaders vs GDC | # 5042 |
| You have nice team :-) | |
| 2010-11-16 20:40:43 • Jiří Šimůnek (zeyferos) | |
cRUSaders vs GDC | # 5040 |
| cRUSaders = win
Most of players from GDC team left after they saw they have no chance against cRUSaders. | |
| 2010-05-09 23:03:33 • Peter Jonsson (peterjo) | |
Match infinite llamas - luffarna | # 4898 |
| On Sunday May 9 we had no opponent. We waited for quite a long time. I did not write any results but let this be done by admin.
Peter Jonsson Captain Luffarna | |
| 2010-05-08 18:05:02 • Michał Żukowski (zukolepl) | |
Biysk - Company 16:12 | # 4896 |
| Biysk - Company 16:12
01 - an24 1:1 sergey - rakdar 0:2 vitaliy - noname1 +:- noname1 - noname2 -:- 3:3 01 - noname2 +:- sergey - an24 2:0 vitaliy - rakdar 0:2 noname1 - noname1 -:- 7:5 01 - noname1 +:- sergey - noname2 +:- vitaliy - an24 1:1 noname1 - rakdar -:+ 12:8 01 - rakdar 0:2 sergey - noname1 +:- vitaliy - noname2 +:- noname1 - an24 -:+ 16:12 Biysk sergey 2-2 01 1-3 vitaliy 1-3 Company rakdar 6-0 an24 2-4 | |