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2022-03-03 18:40:31 Zoltán László (bwzoli)
RE: Ukraine
# 7281
We condemn the violent actions of Russia in Ukraine. Our thoughts are with the Ukrainian members of the community, as well as we think of the Russian members of the community, who probably also mostly feel bad about it and are affected by the consequences already. We hope that peace will be restored as soon as possible.

The EuroLeague Committee
2022-02-28 18:04:36 Mikhael Lomakin (mikle)
RE: Ukraine
# 7279
This is very good news!
I want all the participants of what is happening on both sides to remain alive and unharmed. And the guilty suffered the deserved punishment.
2022-02-28 14:50:11 Alexander Miroshnichenko (fudjin)
RE: Ukraine
# 7278
Thanks for your words. Perhaps my mood would be worse if there was something wrong with me or my loved ones, but I'm still intact
2022-02-26 21:09:14 Mikhael Lomakin (mikle)
Ukraine
# 7277
My country is currently at war with Ukraine. I have always been against any war. I am against the war with Ukraine. But no one asked my opinion when this war started. Guys from Ukraine play here. And the only thing I can do is ask them for forgiveness. Now many Russians are banned from participating in sports competitions. And if a decision is made to suspend me from participating in the Euroleague, then I will make that decision. I am very sorry for what is happening in Ukraine right now.
Слава Украине!
Нет войне!
2022-02-07 22:23:45 Zoltán László (bwzoli)
RE: The Fudjin case
# 7273
Dear Sandra,

In accordance with the name, as well as the description of the "Decisions" section of the Euroleague Forum, you can find there information about decisions made by the Euroleague Committee, that in our opinion players participating in the competition should be informed of.

The purpose of this section is not to ostracize or evaluate the attitudes of individual players, decisions and penalties shall not be applied retrospectively in such matters. Note that it is round 4 already. You may be familiar with law expressions "Lex retro non agit" and "Lex prospicit non respicit". He cheated several years ago and even if there was no significant action taken at that time, we consider his self-isolation as a way of serving his sentence.

Currently there is no suspicion on him of cheating, he was monitored in other competitions even, therefore there is no need at all for an official decision regarding the case of Alexander Miroshnichenko.

Kind regards,

EL Committee
2022-02-02 14:23:04 Sandra Jones (sandra)
The Fudjin case
# 7272
Dear Euroleague Committee,

A number of gomoku players are members of a prestigious club. It's the club of players whose noble efforts to improve the quality of Euroleague games by performing an in-game computer analysis or playing on behalf of other players have been officially recognized by the Euroleague Committee. Upon official recognition of his efforts, each new club member gets his name listed on the most sacred page of the Euroleague forum, The Decisions. I believe it's an excellent tradition. You know, Euroleague games abound in mediocre moves and outright blunders because most players are lazy enough to use anything besides their own minds, so it's indeed a great idea to appreciate people who truly care about the game quality and do something about it. A number of true gomoku enthusiasts have been listed as club members, including the Polish champion of 2016, the current highest rated Russian player, and Great Lord Lamaza himself.

But there's a player whose consistent efforts to become a member of that club have been ignored by the Euroleague Committee. His name is Alexander Miroshnichenko, and he is from Kharkiv, Ukraine, and most known as Fudjin. Not only did he use software in the tournament for years in the most obvious way, but he also explicitly admitted on the Russian gomoku discussion forum a few years ago to using software in more than a half of his Euroleague games. Unfortunately, that application for membership in the club has still not been processed by the Euroleague Committee. Being a modest person who never brags about his noble deeds, Alexander removed that post of his after a while, but it was a long while, so many people, including some in the Euroleague Committee, witnessed the post.

I believe that Alexander Miroshnichenko deserved the honor to be admitted to the club, and therefore I am asking the Euroleague Committee to add his name to the Euroleague forum page of official decisions by posting a formal decision to recognize his deeds. While new club members are generally rewarded with a well-deserved rest from playing in the Euroleague, I don't really insist on giving such a reward to Alexander, for he himself took a very long rest before joining the Euroleague back this season. What I insist on is posting an official decision on his case, for that's the only way to avoid double standards in terms of admission to the club as well as to render justice to his tremendous past efforts to improve the quality of Euroleague games.
2021-11-21 23:32:06 Tatiana Volkova (1dalida1)
Admin date for Thunderstorm team
# 7264
Hello everyone! We (Thunderstorm) want to set admin date at 17:00 server time (Prague time)
2021-11-11 10:46:58 Csaba Kamarás (owcsaba)
Admin date for Only We team
# 7263
Hello! Only We team wants to set the time of the admin date at 17:00 server time for the 2021/22 season.
Thank you!
2021-06-30 23:06:18 Zoltán László (bwzoli)
BnW vs CzB and some remarks
# 7262
The start time of our match this Sat is shifted to 19:00 as requested by the Czechs.

Hopefully nobody gets banned on an open forum. Hopefully irrelevant content will be removed.

I would also like to wish great successes in the future for Ivan Danilin, hopefully we can see more young players like him in EuroLeague (and also in other competitions, both online and offline).

Let's have some sort of peace and enjoy the game :)
2021-05-06 15:03:52 Marek Gorzecki (alicecooperpl)
RE: sandra jones
# 7253
As I wrote here, during the DaW-CzP match, sandra organized a show of hatred towards me.
But I also asked questions :) Here are the quotes:

22:18 alicecooperpl: thats you played program and cheat, every is on polish forum
22:18 Sandra: no, i never cheated when i played under any nickname known to be mine
22:20 alicecooperpl: not only, you are proven cheater :)
22:21 alicecooperpl: but sure you can play live and show us :D
22:25 Sandra: alice, experiments in bieniasze performed under a totally secret nickname do not count as cheating.
22:26 alicecooperpl: buhaha :) experiment - play wth prog
22:27 alicecooperpl: this troll is more stiupid that my neighbours dog
22:27 Sandra: i never cheated when playing under a nickname known to be mine, such as sandra113, morninglight, etc

22:46 Sandra: i can type whatever i want, and this will never affect my real-life reputation :)

Conclusion: This cheater and liar believes that if he/she cheats so that no one knows - it does not count :D. And that, as an anonymous, he/she goes unpunished.

Besides, is it a forum for Euroleague players?
Why is a troll not playing here not banned yet?
2021-05-05 18:23:07 Sandra Jones (sandra)
Ivan Danilin's statement
# 7252
Here's the response by Ivan Danilin himself to the news that Alicecooper questioned the fairness of Ivan's play, as translated by me into English:

-- start of the translation ---

It's not really a pleasure to hear that. I play on my own.

But I go to great lengths to prepare for matches; in particular, I go through 10-15 last games by each potential opponent of mine in which he put an opening, and analyze his openings on a computer. This is why I knew the openings put against me in more than a half of the games played by me as the second player in these two matches. Many players do not just put one and the same opening each time, but also play it wrong, or the opening is unbalanced. I am surprised by people who play one and the same opening each time, often playing it wrong, and then wonder how the opponent could know their opening. This applies to, inter alia, the games against outtiberius, ouups, alicecooperpl, and sawyerpl. I myself strive to play a different opening each time; the seven games played by me as the first player feature six different openings.

Also, I cannot but mention how lucky I was in various ways. Outtiberius failed to block a four. Ouups had the space of the entire board after I didn't manage to convert a decisive advantage into a victory, but he didn't win. Ir0nman had an uncomplicated win, and I saw it, but, for some reason, he lost. Ursuspl built a win for me himself. And in the other game, he could have seized a huge advantage. Alicecooperpl simply gave me the initiative.

Probably, these two factors --- preparation and luck --- indeed somewhat inflate my real playing strength.

-- end of the translation ---

This response was sent by Ivan to his captain, Alexey Mikhailov, in the morning of April 11, that is, on the next day after the match date. Alexey hadn't asked Ivan to provide any explanations. Alexey had merely informed his team that Alicecooper had expressed doubts of Ivan's fairness.

Alexey explained me these details and forwarded Ivan's response to me for translation and publication. Alexey added that he believes that Ivan's response is a perfect answer to Marek Gorzecki and 'other people who are like him in that they can't lose with dignity.'
2021-05-05 17:37:57 Sandra Jones (sandra)
RE: MMA schedule: Fight dates, TV channel
# 7251
Dear admins, could you please remove the spam about MMA? It makes our forum look not good.
2021-05-04 07:56:37 tononim gfhyj (playfive)
MMA schedule: Fight dates, TV channel
# 7250
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2021-05-04 07:43:51 tononim gfhyj (playfive)
RE: My questions to Alexey Mikhaylov
# 7249
https://twitter.com/McGregorPoirier
2021-05-02 02:33:12 Marek Gorzecki (alicecooperpl)
RE: My questions to Alexey Mikhaylov
# 7248
1. As white's position is weak (any move you make),
so I decided that I can try if black will be tempted to the middle, and a greater difficulty for them.
2. a) This is not the only possible move, I have also played other moves (I9 or K7).
b) However, people often play 15-K9 hence the 14.
c) I chose quickly out of these three.
3. I was wondering if I should set another 6, in the past, there were also other moves played in this open.
4. It's a long story and not from the Euroleague, but of course.
a) First, I didn't know if I would be able to go to the TGWC.
b) Then it turned out that I can but I had to work for 2 weeks before the TGWC with little sleep and not at home, without a computer.
I had neither the strength nor the ability to prepare for the games at all (and until the last moment I dealt with the organization of the tournament).
c) Besides, I was supposed to go as a replacement, 'vince' was supposed to play, he even paid for a hotel room. I assumed that I would sleep off first, then look at the openings.
Only 3 days before TGWC it turned out that vince is not going, that I have to play all the time.
d) Specifically, in my opening I have developed moves that I have never played in public, or very rarely, when I look at renlib before the tournament, I remember it (as I wrote before, I didn't even have time for that).
With you I only remembered the next move and how complicated it is afterwards, but inaccurate. Since it was obvious that you were prepared for it and I was not, I played a different one.
e) Unfortunately during the TGWC I was so exhausted from lack of sleep that at times it was very difficult for me to play.
For example, in the game http://gomokuworld.com/tournaments/217/14447
I had a sure win after the 26th move, I saw it, that's why I set it, but after a few minutes, I thought I would not fit (I told Gabor during the game: that he is lucky that I am unconscious)
The same in the game http://gomokuworld.com/tournaments/217/14467
After move 15 I had a sure win, then I stopped seeing him and put a stone on the other side (I also told Piotr after the game that I had a win)
Sad, but in this state I was :(
I was seriously wondering whether to go to sleep instead of playing MP and blitz, but on the other hand, go to the tournament after sacrifices and not play, both possibilities are wrong.
Theoretically, there was a maestro in the team that he could replace, but it quickly turned out that he had so many other duties (too much like all the organizers (including me)) that he said that he would only do it if someone had to go to the hospital.
2021-05-01 22:52:09 Dmitry Epifanov (owen)
RE: My questions to Alexey Mikhaylov
# 7247
Your questions first.

> does this give you a clue do i know it (since Kozin is an expert on it)?

Nope. It took a minute for you to play 6th move. So here is a clue.

> Ask Kozin or Zoli - in this opening, if someone knows them, white basically has the only possible moves, and counting your variants 1/2 1/10000, etc., is sorry but useless

It is not useless because your 10th is losing. There are no possible moves for white, that's why it is interesting which defending line you chose and why you did it so quickly. Yixin database, maybe?

> 4) By the way, as a trainer, did you practice this opening with Ivan? (I think I know the answer, but maybe it will interest others)

No, we didn't, at least I don't remember. But playing 5th move in 1 second may give you a clue. How do you think, does he know this scheme or no? In general, he knows much more theory than I do, it works both for renju and gomoku. He is young, his memory is good, he is analyzing a lot. I'm too old, my memory serves me worse. How old are you, by the way?

> By the way, what is the actual age of Ivan 13, 15? Let us know the facts.

Danilin is 17 years old now, born 2003.
He was 3rd in Russian High League 2020, I can't explain you how high this result is. But maybe it's enough to mention that in WHR rating (renju) he is higher than any polish player including Mr. Żukowski. They are quite close, Ivan has a rating of 2459 and Michał has 2453. https://renjurating.wind23.com/

He is studying renju and gomoku for a long time. His first gold medal on Youth Russian Championship was in 2014 (or 2013? my memory is so weak)

Now several questions from me.

1. Could you please explain your 18th move. What are the variants beneath it? Why did you choose this 18th?

2. Why this 14th? Did you know that it is the only possible move for white? How much time did you spent on this 14?

3. How do you explain 1 minute you've spent on the 6th move?

4. And one more thing.
http://gomokuworld.com/tournaments/218/14564
Could you please tell me about this 6th move. You played this swap2 before in EL. In that game you've found the only possible moves for white, the variant is very complicated, but 10 minutes were enough for you to calculate all the consequences. And with me you've spent a lot of time after my swap2 and played a losing or mostly-losing 6th move. Why?
2021-04-30 23:08:13 Marek Gorzecki (alicecooperpl)
RE: My questions to Alexey Mikhaylov
# 7246
Alexey, I have questions

1. In a private conversation, I politely told my doubts.
You demanded an apology and punishment for me.
Then you spat on me publicly here on the forum.
Do you fight for Euroleague standards like this?
Do you consider your behavior appropriate?
Or maybe you have something to tell me?

2. You have repeatedly emphasized here: 'young' 'newcomer'
Do you think that: is someone young or old, tall or short, fat or skinny etc, is related to cheating? seriously?
By the way, what is the actual age of Ivan 13, 15? Let us know the facts.

3. I feel exactly as payzel wrote: you made a public scandal out of a private conversation that no one knew about.
For what purpose?
To intimidate and censor? So that no one would even dare to say anything about Russian players?

4. Or maybe you used it as an excuse to leave the Euroleague and not play? (this is what it looks like)
Many were waiting for the result of your match against Czech Payback. I was curious if it would be 8-0, or a change of style and 0-8

Do you have the courage to answer these questions?

Sincerely, Marek
2021-04-29 13:37:13 František Fňukal (payzel)
RE: To František Fňukal
# 7245
Yes, definitely - feel free to do so.
2021-04-29 12:04:47 Alexey Mikhaylov (off_minor)
My questions
# 7244
I have no further questions for Mr. Gorzecki. Everything I had to say to him, I told him. The fact that he himself is accused of foul play is another discussion, I have nothing to do with it.
I have big questions for the Euroleague Committee. My protest action relate much more to the Committee than to Mr. Gorzecki. I raised questions about corporate ethics, not cheating. These questions are entirely up to the Committee.
2021-04-29 12:02:57 Alexey Mikhaylov (off_minor)
To František Fňukal
# 7243
František, hi. You do not have a correct understanding of how this conflict was born and developed, who said what to whom, who asked what from whom. And for what reasons. If this is interesting to anyone, I can state the correct line of events.
2021-04-29 07:10:38 Marek Gorzecki (alicecooperpl)
RE: To Dmitry Epifanov
# 7242
Dimitry I appreciate your renju play and analysis :)
but please get the facts first, otherwise it will be a shame.

1) For example, I played this open with M Kozin in a 2 minute blitz at the TGWC
Kozin made the strongest moves, so did I. Kozin asked for a draw.
does this give you a clue do i know it (since Kozin is an expert on it)?

2) If not yet, I have placed it live many times during the 15th Polish Gomoku Championship (also with Oleg)

And you wonder about the timing and coincidence with Yxin: D

Ask Kozin or Zoli - in this opening, if someone knows them, white basically has the only possible moves, and counting your variants 1/2 1/10000, etc., is sorry but useless

3) The only thing else I did while playing with tokyo was the weaker 10th move to check (I assumed he could prepare for the strongest variants, and not necessarily the weaker one)

4) By the way, as a trainer, did you practice this opening with Ivan? (I think I know the answer, but maybe it will interest others)
2021-04-29 00:09:42 Dmitry Epifanov (owen)
RE: To Pavel Laube
# 7241
Hi, Pavel!

> Plus this was not a public discussion as far as I know

At least three players told me about this situation despite I'm not playing EL at all. One of those was a Committee member asking me to write a few words about Ivan's skills because I'm his coach. Is it a public discussion or not?

And one more thing. I've made a brief analyze of one game between alicecooper and Ivan. Feel free to read it on vk.com and check everything written there. Two main facts are:
1. Ivan made several unoptimal moves; for example, he missed an easy win (easy for a computer). He played a very human move instead.
2. alicecooper made 100% his moves with Yixin's first line (including a couple of non-human moves) but lost mainly because Yixin's first line was too bad.
2021-04-28 22:59:18 Pavel Laube (kedlub)
RE: To Pavel Laube
# 7240
Alex, if everyone would stop playing after such accusations in the internet, there would be no players left. Plus this was not a public discussion as far as I know, so no need for explanations whatsoever. My humble advice, just ignore the bullshit and enjoy the game.

I wish you all the best and hope to play with your team in seasons to come (after all, Ivan can take it as a compliment;) )

Cheers
2021-04-28 22:40:44 František Fňukal (payzel)
RE: To Pavel Laube - 2
# 7239
Hey, you wrote ''By the way Ivan Danilin provided his explanations to the Committee''. I might have gotten this wrong, but did anyone from the Commitee ask you for any explanations? I get it, it is a serious accusation, but if the conversation was merely between you and Marek then whats the deal - being it me, I would have asked him, why he thinks so and which moves exactly were the "program" moves. But once he only contacted you and wasnt yelling this into the world, there is no way he could have unjustifiably stain anyones reputation or ''hurt their feelings'' and there is no need to make a big fuss over this. Marek as an individual can have whatever opinion he wants, he can contact the Commitee and only when Commitee finds something suspicious, it becomes a thing. (btw this whole string was started with your own comment)
2021-04-27 13:03:04 Alexey Mikhaylov (off_minor)
To Pavel Laube - 2
# 7238
By the way Ivan Danilin provided his explanations to the Committee. The first phrase is "I hate to write this." There are no more emotions in his message. Despite his youth, Ivan explains very thoroughly and rationally: HOW and WHY he won all these 13 games. Including two games with Mr. Gorzecki.
2021-04-27 12:04:54 Alexey Mikhaylov (off_minor)
To Pavel Laube
# 7237
Pavel, greetings. You take such great care of the young players. Please tell your opinion. A young player comes to the Euroleague, plays the first 2 matches (14 games), and after that he should give some explanations to the team-opponent and the public: why he wins a lot of games? He should give explanations: HOW he wins, WHY he wins? Is this a normal situation? This probably increases the popularity of the Euroleague among young players? When you were a Euroleague newcomer, and played the first 2 matches, did you give some explanations about your game?
2021-04-26 17:12:30 Lukáš Souček (dragonboner)
RE: To Euroleague Committee and Alexey M
# 7236
I can only agree with my Czech colleague. Let's play some!
2021-04-26 11:58:13 Pavel Laube (kedlub)
RE: To Euroleague Committee and Alexey M
# 7235
Grow up people. Leaving the competition for such bullshit is childish. And first of all, it's a pity for talented young players in the squad.
2021-04-24 19:21:52 Alexey Mikhaylov (off_minor)
RE: To Euroleague Committee and Alexey M
# 7234
Please give us individual names. Who did I tell stories to?
2021-04-24 19:15:57 Alexey Mikhaylov (off_minor)
RE: To Euroleague Committee and Alexey M
# 7233
And I ask you to explain what you mean when you say:

--I only found out that he tells fairy tales to other people and to the gomoku committee.--

Who are these --people-- I've been telling stories to?
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