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2011-01-10 19:50:09 Adrian Czychowski (ohlechista)
# 5225
,,OH YEAQ SQUAD team is ready to analises if last is not much hard evidence. We can do everything, only say what. We can analise everyone move and show that is from program. Can be? " BY HENRY:If it's neccesary we can make library of other 2 games when it's possible that Fire used program. Regards OYS
2011-01-10 19:17:49 Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst)
RE: Try to be objective
# 5223

To be honest this is so hard to decide as hard the accusation is (I'm writing this before deep analyses of RenLib file).

As you all probably know proving playing the program with no hard evidence (eg. camera records) is almost impossible. The question is what shall be the level of similarities between program and real games to be suspicious? For some people 100% is not enough and for other 70% is fine.

I kindly ask you not to make the atmosphere worse than it should be. We need to find the solution and we know that it won't be fine and wise for some of you.

I'm still waiting for any Fire's statement...

Best regards,

2011-01-10 18:45:53 Attila Demján (ycattila)
RE: Try to be objective
# 5221
WTF again.

I don't state my comments in such way because I like fire more than you or anyone. It is just so ridiculous what you are doing right now. If anyone else would be in fire's place now whom I dislike, I still would say the same. Plus I know his skills enough I guess to be able to estimate objectively if he can make 8/8 against your team.

You can come here with your 20 friends and repeat that 8/8 means cheating and so on:)

Remeber that noone asked me to post my opinion here. It simply just disturbs me and others that such childish, ridiculous and useless accusations can be made by some player who can't stand losing normally as a respectful opponent.

The theory about your fiction would be acceptable, because everyone can have his/her own opinion about other players, but if you're so sure of the cheat, you should provide some normal proof instead of that renlib file which makes people laugh.
2011-01-10 18:24:30 Adrian Czychowski (ohlechista)
Try to be objective
# 5220
,, I have known that You will write opinion like this, because everybody know, that You and Fire are friends... But it have no sense, i can find a lot of friends (20 for example) and they will say that he play program, not because they like me, because this is true. Please, try to wait for decision committee"
2011-01-10 17:39:13 Attila Demján (ycattila)
RE: lol
# 5219
Ah thanks Ondik for writing this. I wanted to share my thoughts about it too, what are exactly the same as yours.
I won't repeat last message again. I really hope that the committee will be wise and decisive in this issue.

Btw I got rid of this all when I have read the following: " I want to show it, because he have done 8/8 points and thats really unfair - we losed 12/20."
(WTF??? I'd better not to make any comment about it...)

This sentence is totally repping the seriousness of this accusement.

OYS, stop acting like this, it makes all gomoku community and stuff so bitter...
Just accept losing, we all have to learn it.
(DT had no rude word after losing 31:1 to us, though it should hurt much more. Take them as an example of proper behaviour)

2011-01-10 17:35:38 Adrian Czychowski (ohlechista)
# 5218
So You think that will be fine when everybody will start to do 15 moves like program in every games? Yee - so it's really fair. May we should wait for committee's decision?
2011-01-10 15:59:38 Ondrej Nykl (pandik1)
# 5217
i know i have no say in this as i'm not even playing EL, but damn, this is so ridiculous that I couldn't help myself. Even if he was cheating, there's no way he can be accused based on this renlib file you created. Before every move he did I tried to think about the move myself and 80 % of time I'd play the same move he did.

Just look at your logic -> When he doesn't use fiver.. he uses connect 5 to confuse others. And when he doesn't use even connect 5.. he uses his brain to be totally safe so noone can accuse him! (and you forgot to mention you changed your mind about him using connect 5 - now you think he was using Tito) Have you ever thought about possibility, that he maybe just made the RIGHT moves which would everybody else do, because they were quite obvious? And because they were the best moves in those situations, programs also played them? If you want to accuse someone you have to come up with something REALLY obvious, not simple 1800 rank move sequences for god's sake!

By the way - everyone plays as program when putting fifth stone in a row. Think about it.
2011-01-10 09:42:43 Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst)
RE: Language problems.
# 5213

I suggest Vlhfire (or Valahia captain) to make official statement regarding OH's accusation.

It could impact EL Committee decision and potential level of punishment (of course if applicable).

Kind regards,

2011-01-09 22:26 Adam Harmasz (ohhenryy07)
for Valahia's captain
# 5211
Dragon don't be angry, it's just for sure..., if fire didnt cheat you can be calm.
2011-01-09 22:18:55 Adam Harmasz (ohhenryy07)
RE: ,,Confirming"
# 5210
I agree with Lechista and rest players of OYS, jury should check it.
2011-01-09 18:44:50 Adrian Czychowski (ohlechista)
# 5205
Our Captain will confirm accusation as soon as possible, but we think it is not necessary according to the rules and in our opinion this should not stop the work of Committee, especially in the situation of last day of the current round
2011-01-09 18:18:18 Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si)
RE: Valahia-Programmers
# 5203
I ask the captain of OYS to confirm/refuse the accusation of Ohlechista about cheating as soon as possible.

Please take into consideration also the rule 10.6.
2011-01-09 18:16:27 Adrian Czychowski (ohlechista)
Hello Again
# 5202
Hello again and thanks Maestro for your reasonable post!

First of all, I would like to apologize for my previous messages. You are obviously right that we shouldn’t use word “programmers” until there is no formal verdict in such a case.

However, please try to understand my emotions after lost match, having in mind the possibility that the fight could not be 100% fair.

Frankly speaking we hope that is not true, but in my opinion and in opinion of friends from team and other players, one of Valahia members played very similar to well-known programs – Connect5 and Fiver6_8. As a proof we published link to the RenLib file showing all similarities.

I know that according to the EL rules we should give you more examples, but there was no time for this and games in previous matches wasn’t matter of our interest. If necessary, we can send you materials from missing two games.

We kindly ask EL Committee to check our formal accusation. We believe that all EL games should be played fair and in a friendly atmosphere.

Finally, I would like to apologize once for some rude words, that were really unnecessary.

Waiting for the fair verdict.


Lechista and all OH YEAH sqad players
2011-01-09 17:56:32 Paweł Tarasiński (commaestro)
Calm down
# 5201
Calm down guys, please. We don't need strong words now. Better wait for analysis of jas's accusation by Committee of EL.

Debating about our negotiations I also consider as useless.
2011-01-09 17:46:50 Costinas Beniamin (vlh_dragon)
Thank you for the assist.
# 5200
Point proven :).
2011-01-09 17:09:16 Adrian Czychowski (ohlechista)
# 5199
2011-01-09 16:49:33 Costinas Beniamin (vlh_dragon)
Plural ???
# 5197
Why programmers ???
Who else do you have proof of cheating. If you don't want to accept your defeat, that's fine with me. But making stupid accusations right and left only makes you look bad.

Why is there no edit button? I made some grammar mistakes and i think an edit button would be welcomed. At least for the message, if not for the title also (so lechista can either correct his utterly intellectual remark, or provide more proof, from the bottom of his endless knowledge).
2011-01-09 16:42:39 Costinas Beniamin (vlh_dragon)
Language problems.
# 5196
Mind your language. Have you heard about "innocent until proven guilty" ?
You can sustain something, but you can't conclude something. And if you think you conclude... well, keep it for yourself. It's rude(not to say otherwise) to establish the verdict by your one, while we have a jury here.

I see that you have manner problems, at your fair little team. While you're at it, why don't you say how you refused all my offers, of playing some other time. You knew our players had difficulties with the admin date (and in your big brave hearts, what did you say ???... let's use that date, maybe they are saying the truth). And we did, adi couldn't make it and f4lc0n was only able to play 2 rounds. That should say a lot of your team, considering that this round had 4 weaks, and you postponed your decision until there was nothing to decide (you said you would vote and hope that we can find a good date for both teams, but in your advanced english skills, both had the meaning of only your team).
2011-01-09 16:10:17 Adrian Czychowski (ohlechista)
RE: Valahia-Programmers
# 5195 On this sit u can share library, where Vlhfire - use programs.
2011-01-09 16:05:33 Adrian Czychowski (ohlechista)
# 5194
2010-12-24 15:53:09 Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst)
Merry Christmas!
# 5188
Merry Christmas and happy New Year to everyone :)

Best regards!

2010-12-18 22:09:32 Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si)
RE: Slovenian Dragons 1 - MastersOfCeremony
# 5167
Hi Truskawek,
I asked my teammates, but your offer is really not good for us, because some player wont be at home that day. Sorry. In spite of that, I hope, you will have enough players.
2010-12-17 16:55:54 Tomasz Matyja (mctruskawek)
Slovenian Dragons 1 - MastersOfCeremony
# 5161
Dear Jezek & Sl.dragons,
I write to ask You about change date of our math. I make the mistake. Half of our team can't play. We offer 2010-12-26 19:30. Sorry again, it was my mistake.
2010-12-17 14:55:41 anatolie smirnov (sherhan)
RE: join
# 5159
2010-12-17 14:34:42 Igor Eged (ancientdragon)
RE: join
# 5157
Regarding rockfall - Midi Rod NG match committee awarded some PP, the amount will be published in PP summary.
About joining of a player to rockfall, the procedure is described in rule 8.1.
Captain has to accept the player in this case after confirmation of 2nd round result and before start of 3rd round.
In this case the match result was not confirmed (because a protest, although you haven't requested actual change of the result, so you could have confirmed it).
In such case the best solution is to write into a forum BEFORE 3rd round start and administrator will handle the joining procedure manually.

This time you wrote it already after 3rd round start, what might be a bit too late (theoretical opponent preparation and also some guesses in guessing competition should be adjusted), but committee agreed despite that to add the player because of the circumstances and he is now a member of the team valid for 3rd round.
2010-12-14 15:08:34 anatolie smirnov (sherhan)
# 5137
Why not add a new player. He joined
During the first round
2010-12-12 17:15:49 Ilya Katsev (lobromozel)
Lords vs NP
# 5110
We changed the room of the game and will play in Rabity (instead of Bieniasze).
2010-12-11 09:16:35 anatolie smirnov (sherhan)
RE: Result match Rocfall x Midi Rod NG
# 5108
A small correction. Ellucky had a problem wit connection:). From the beginning
match with the score 0-0.
2010-12-11 01:16:23 Rudolf Vybiral (mrsend)
RE: Result match Rocfall x Midi Rod NG
# 5107
Hi Andrey,
i see you are russian and our opponet is russian too. Maybe you are prejudiced. Hendryx is 16 and i understand him and Ellucky had a problem wit connection. At the time result of the match was 17:4 for my team. Oppozitor was steamy and i think this is main reason for his reaction.
Hendryx and ellucky are new players at EL and they dint knows rules well at the time. Sorry. I ensure that my teamates will reads rules well.

Rudolf Vybiral - mrsend
2010-12-08 11:15:20 Andrey Sviridov (cr_spartak)
RE: Result match Rocfall x Midi Rod NG
# 5097
First of all if it is happened that chat with girlfriend became a serious reason then you should resign the game. Other way you just showing disrespect to your opponent and moreover greying is disturbing factor as well. And i don't find using smile is suitable here. Please reread the Fair Play article in rules (#11).

Committee will discuss this case.
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