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2010-01-23 18:10:07 Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si)
Invitation
# 4509
According to the rules 10.2 and 15.1 the Committe invites candidates, who would like to become a new member of the Committee. Everyone, who would like to join and work with us has to fulfil the following conditions. He/she

- should be able to be active and has time to work;
- has experiences in organization gomoku tournaments;
- is a member of a team in EL and is not from Poland, Russia, Slovakia or Slovenia;
- has average level of English, enough to communicate with the other members.

Every candidat should submit his/her candidature till Sunday, 7th February, 24.00. He/she should write (shortly) his/her past work and present some ideas which would be interesting for development EL.

Regular members will vote by email, which will be sent to the neutral person so that no one of the members knows how vote the other members. Each member gives 3, 2 or 1 point/s to 3 candidates. A candidat who will have most points, will become a new member. If 2 candidates will have the same points, the members will choose between them in the 2nd round in the same way (2, 1 points).

On behalf of Committee
jezek
2010-01-14 12:33:19 Igor Eged (outiec)
RE: Attila's pp
# 4494
Seems Tomo was a bit faster, we wrote our replies in about the same time, so may be something is duplicite, but we didn't agree about this, was just a coincidence :)
2010-01-14 12:31:27 Igor Eged (outiec)
RE: Attila's pp
# 4493
Well, as for now it is in the rules and if there is a protest we have to solve it regarding rules, opinions and voting of committee.
I don't think making exceptions is smart move here, few pp don't hurt anyone and it is more like a warning.
To make some differences between "better" and "worse" players I don't consider wise. And I am pretty sure we have more than 3 excellent players in our competition, for example yesterday 2 teams filled with excellent players played together :)

Yes, there are different opinions about this article of rules and some find it outdated. But some opinions say forbidding graying is not only about preventing the danger of using opening libraries or other gomoku programs. It is also about respect for the opponent, some find it annoying when the opponent doesn't seemingly pay attention to the game, someone wrote that it is as if he would say "I am so much better than you, that I can beat you easily even without concentrating and looking at the game", which can perhaps have demotivating and humiliating effect on the weaker player. Even a beginner playing with a master wants to enjoy the game, become better and be respected not dependent only on his skill level.

But of course, there can be discussion and really if some rule would be decided as obsolete or outdated, it can be changed or removed.
2010-01-14 12:21:26 Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si)
RE: Attila's pp
# 4492
Every team had confirmed to agree with the rules before EL started and the rules are the same for all of teams and for all of players. Nowhere is written that some (excellent) players can do things, which the others cant do. Noone never said that Attila was a cheater, he was gray too many times. Angst expained the reasons in #4432. If Committee thought, he was a cheater, he got harder punishment. I am sure we would have done the same to Fracass, Joking and to everybody, who would be gray so many times as Attila. I didnt watch the match, but one our member watched it and all members in the Committee believe each others.

5 pp dont mean almost anything. Attila and BC can play further, they didnt lose any game/match by wo for this reason. On the other hand this is a warning to everybody, who think that the rules are not valid for him. Committee cant do exception in this case.

Regards,
jezek, member of the Committee
2010-01-14 00:08:55 Costinas Beniamin (vlh_dragon)
Attila's pp
# 4490
I didn't say a thing regarding this matter , because we just finished the game , and i didn't want to create an awkward situation. Now that it has passed , i find it very hard to understand why would you penalize him . For blinking , like cheaters get pp ? If Attila is suspected of cheating , then there is no point in playing in EL . Not to mention that he is much better than any program .I would kindly suggest to make an exception , and erase those pp , i am sure many think this way .

This might sound like a joke , but when you have 2-3 excellent gomoku players in the competition , you should not treat one of them in that manner ... seriously it's unpleasant too see that:)(would you have done this to fracass or joking ?).
2010-01-04 05:09:17 ViNZ de la Fuente (vinzt2f)
RE: Merry Christmas
# 4443
Sorry guys for the late greetings. May everyone filled with happy moments and laughters this new year, a prosperous one. I am very excited for the Euroleage Top 16 Draw and for the upcoming final four championship.

Cheers from Ticket2Final [dot] com
2009-12-25 09:31:57 Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si)
RE: join the player
# 4420
Sorry, too late. Deadline to join a new player was on 13.Dec. 24.00. Read the decision of the committee on the forum The rules #4389 for the same case. You can accept a new player before the start of the 6th round. Deadline is Sunday, 14.Feb 24.00, KT.
2009-12-24 20:47:07 Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst)
RE: Merry Christmas
# 4418
I wish Merry Christmas my gomoku & renju Friends :)

Best regards,

Piotr
2009-12-24 17:43:21 Andrey Litvinenko (np_popovich)
join the player
# 4417
Hello!

I would like to join SKiLL90 to my team, but i can't is it possible?

Thanks
2009-12-24 01:41:07 Michał Żukowski (zukolepl)
Merry Christmas
# 4416
Merry Christmas for all :)
2009-12-23 12:46:30 Георги Георгиев (gdggomoku)
RE: 3vs3 mistake
# 4414
Bravo
2009-12-22 14:04:49 Marko Pellikka (pellikka)
RE: 3vs3 mistake
# 4411
I don't think that the meaning of the fair play can be generalized by referring strictly to the rules.

First I'd like to remind that I'm not trying to change what already happened. I just want to bring some ideas that could be taken into consideration when the rules for the future (not this season) are being revised.

It is my personal opinion, that offering a chance for opponent to play 3 vs 3 is an act of fair play towards opponent team. I also believe that I'm not the only one with this opinion.

I agree, that having only 3 players available for a match is worth 13PP.

I don't agree that a team having 4 players present during all the match, but still chose to give a chance for opponent by playing 3 vs 3 would get also 13PP. That's too much.

But as Tomo said, defining different special scenarios for rules is problematic. And each special scenario may result having other complications that can't be easily foreseen. One problem is that you can't say if the fourth player is really available to play although he would be online.

-marko
2009-12-22 00:07:09 Vlad Nipoti (czpayb)
RE: 3vs3 mistake
# 4410
To Marko:

Hi,

It has nothing to do with fair play. Teams are supposed to come as team in 4 players. If they dont, its only their problems or their captain. The aim of that rule ( pp for playing in 3) is to make teams come in at least 4 players, as Ales told me long time ago. In my opinion, it is absolutely fair to play 4x3.

Best Regards,

B.
2009-12-20 13:13:22 Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si)
RE: 3vs3 mistake
# 4400
I understand your situation, but we (Committee) have to follow the rules. At this moment I think it would be problematic if we define different pp for different causes of nonplayed games because every time can someone want to get less pp for his special cause. We ll talk about your idea anyway.

I d like to tell you, that fair play is incuded in the rule 16: »If a team and all its players don't get any pp in the next 3 real rounds (not walkover or 'bye'), their penalty points will reduce for 2 penalty points for every next round.«
2009-12-18 08:59:34 Marko Pellikka (pellikka)
RE: 3vs3 mistake
# 4387
Hi, I understand by the rules that my team got 13 PP. However I'd like that for future or for next season you consider changing rules so, that for fair play intentions (for example giving a chance for opponent to play 3 vs 3), will not result in so many PP. Comparing the PP result of this caused by good intentions is clearly not in line with other penalties.

Br, Marko
2009-12-04 22:13:06 Michał Wileczek (krvilumisiek)
.
# 4319
i accepted but there is nothing about remember it :] so im accept results of my behavior so np
2009-12-04 20:34:47 Juraj Ďuračka (outpanz)
RE: .
# 4318
Sorry Michał, but if you want to play in Euroleague, one of the conditions is to read the rules. To play in EL = to accept its rules. Otherwise you shouldn't do that. So now you shouldn't complain and gripe at rules.

Me and my teammates were prepared for the match on the agreed date and we have to look for a new date. OK, perhaps we'll find some new because we want to play but it's a little annoyance for us now.

Hope the match itself will better than this.
2009-12-04 18:44:12 Michał Wileczek (krvilumisiek)
.
# 4317
ok.

shit rule.
2009-12-04 15:49:30 Igor Eged (outiec)
RE: Outsiders : Klub Rzeszow
# 4316
To be more specific, it happened because of this:

6.2.2. If no team creates an offer in first seven days of the round, then the first offer created from 8th day (from monday at 00:01) is automatically accepted.

And if you don't agree, it would be preferred if you could respond within 3 days from my offer ;)
2009-12-04 15:45:16 Igor Eged (outiec)
RE: Outsiders : Klub Rzeszow
# 4315
Hi vilu,
you don't need to think, just read rules, system handles it automatically...
You can suggest different match date by withdraw offer or discussion using messages in match date section.
i
2009-12-04 15:33:58 Michał Wileczek (krvilumisiek)
Outsiders : Klub Rzeszow
# 4314
Hi, I and several my players think, that date which you proposed was accepted without 3 day rule.
2009-11-12 20:42:28 Adam Harmasz (ohhenryy07)
Re: Congratulations OH YEAH sqad !
# 4250
Thanks!:)
2009-11-12 09:48:03 Costinas Beniamin (vlh_dragon)
Congratulations OH YEAH sqad !
# 4249
32-0 is incredibly hard to manage , were there any 32-0 in past editions ?
Anyway , congratulations ! :D
2009-09-18 17:25:54 smirnov anatolij (barbos)
RE: Change in games of Euroleague.
# 4168
Try to solve проблемму participations of clones
2009-09-14 16:57:46 Costinas Beniamin (vlh_dragon)
RE: bye...
# 4165
And nobody can make you change your mind about this ?
It's nice to see you play (even to play against you , though it's very hard). It would be a real loss ...
2009-09-14 09:38:50 Alexey Ritter (cr_Fracass)
bye...
# 4164
Hi...
I think 2008 season was last for me...
So... I want to thanks to all players of euro - it was really intresting to play with you and to oranizers:-)...
Good luck!
2009-08-25 09:34:55 Attila Demján (scattila)
RE: Change in games of Euroleague.
# 4153
Yeah, Paulie is right:) Let's force to play more live tournaments!
Besides Euroleague, we will start the Offline (e-mail) Gomoku World Championship. Details later.
2009-08-17 20:11:03 Pavel Laube (kedlub)
RE: Change in games of Euroleague.
# 4149
I must deeply disagree (and I hope I speak now for all Woodenheads) with any proposal which includes the increasing of number of rounds in Euroleague.
9 rounds are evidently good enought to decide fairly the champion, and by my opinion also good enought to give the opportunity to meet equal teams each other.
But if you don´t think so, than I consider the Attila´s proposal of ABC leagues as far more reasonable.
However, it is very nice, that you are so enthusiastic players, that you want to play also during the exam time and maybe even vacations. It is my pleisure than to invite you to join us in some live tournaments (as e.g. the past WC in Pardubice). I´m sure it can meet your needs enought:-)

Inshallah,
Kedlub
2009-07-29 13:23:51 Costinas Beniamin (vlh_dragon)
RE: Change in games of Euroleague.
# 4145
i agree with rakdar , 11 rounds or more would be better . I propose to let captains vote on this matter .
2009-07-23 18:10:51 Dariusz Białkowski (com_rakdar)
RE: Change in games of Euroleague.
# 4143
We can notice how long the break is seeing numbers.

Beginning of season 3.11.08 End 10.05.09
which means that we play 6 months and we rest 6 months.

Too much of sunbathing :)

Regards

rakdar
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