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2011-01-16 13:46:28 Marcin Wojtasiński (ohhhjasiu)
# 5312
Against the decision of the committee I want only to express that, despite the verdict, I'll watch the next game vlhfire, because his way of thinking is similar to the movements of the program.
I just need to learn that the decision of the committee is correct.
I greet opponents team and I think that the situation between us will be friendly again.
I greet, Martin.
Good luck in the next rounds.
2011-01-14 02:12:30 Mateusz Miśkiewicz (krmorph)
NEWS ! ! !
# 5279
Who know player : kuras ?
In the game can u offer draw, then he is crusherd.. :)
2011-01-11 16:04:54 Marcin Wojtasiński (ohhhjasiu)
To Mystartx
# 5249
Hello, I don't understand what your post mean... Is it kind of blackmail??? If yes i think that is so pathetic. Situation of your team's member will be decide by objective committee and then You can say something. Do You think that is everything all right when You talk about your ,,team leavin'" before results?? Regards, Marcin.
2011-01-11 15:21:30 Tomasz Matyja (mctruskawek)
RE: Results
# 5247
Season: 2010/2011, After round: 2 (2010-11-22 to 2010-12-12)

Sorry, doesn't matter
2011-01-11 13:58:13 Tomasz Matyja (mctruskawek)
# 5245
In Actual results

SD and MOC have got "0" in score. It's something wrong in statistic... We drawed our match
2011-01-11 00:36:52 Claudiu Hulea (vlh_mystartx)
My statement
# 5241
Hello all,

Sorry to have to bother. In the case that my team gets a negative verdict could not continue and the outcome of the game I see myself forced to leave the competition because of lack of fair play.

I wish you continued success.

This is my decision and I will not change.

Thank you for your understanding.

Claudiu Hulea
Valahia Team member
2011-01-10 23:41:07 Costinas Beniamin (vlh_dragon)
Our official statement.
# 5240
I write on fire's behalf, since he's in the army as from today (so is f4lc0n... according to finnish law). I think, as i've seen written here, that the moves which resemble to fire 6_8 (i don't know about other programs, because i don't have them) are not a good argument since they were FORCED moves (most of them). I seriously doubt that fire would use any programs. I see nothing more to say regarding this matter.

However, i have to add this mean remark.
I've seen some publicity about a show called "desperate housewives". Their attitude kind of reminds me of that commercial.
1st, they do everything they can so we can't have a full team (i will remember you, they refused any of my offers, which were not few, and this round had 4 weeks). I must admit, i made the stupid mistake of trusting in their fair play, and i've told them from the begining that the admin date is very bad for us.

2nd they grab the "cheater .... he killed kenny! you bastard!" thingy.

I am wondering (as i usually do) how far would you go for a meanless win against us ? How much nerve do you people have ? :)

I only have one request regarding the comitee. Don't judge as last year's kr - team mollo (which i have to bring into discusion) was far from being a fair decizion (no ... i didn't forget, and i am sure i am not the only one).
2011-01-10 20:02:57 Marcin Wojtasiński (ohhhjasiu)
Oh Yeah Squad
# 5226
Hello, its me - jas. If it's possbile i can analises too. I know, my RENLIB was doing after match with Valahia and only 2 hours, but it was last day of this round and i tried be fast... If committee give our team more time we can do RENLIB with 9 games of vlhfire when we think he played with programs... And i only please captain of Valahia - Adifek. Man, please - dont write to my friend in team with bad words on playok... I can paste here when You have talked with malutki3000 (ohlechista) and You say some really bad words... So try to be more friendly, is it possible? Thanks.
Regards, Jas.
2011-01-10 19:50:09 Adrian Czychowski (ohlechista)
# 5225
,,OH YEAQ SQUAD team is ready to analises if last is not much hard evidence. We can do everything, only say what. We can analise everyone move and show that is from program. Can be? " BY HENRY:If it's neccesary we can make library of other 2 games when it's possible that Fire used program. Regards OYS
2011-01-10 19:17:49 Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst)
RE: Try to be objective
# 5223

To be honest this is so hard to decide as hard the accusation is (I'm writing this before deep analyses of RenLib file).

As you all probably know proving playing the program with no hard evidence (eg. camera records) is almost impossible. The question is what shall be the level of similarities between program and real games to be suspicious? For some people 100% is not enough and for other 70% is fine.

I kindly ask you not to make the atmosphere worse than it should be. We need to find the solution and we know that it won't be fine and wise for some of you.

I'm still waiting for any Fire's statement...

Best regards,

2011-01-10 18:45:53 Attila Demján (ycattila)
RE: Try to be objective
# 5221
WTF again.

I don't state my comments in such way because I like fire more than you or anyone. It is just so ridiculous what you are doing right now. If anyone else would be in fire's place now whom I dislike, I still would say the same. Plus I know his skills enough I guess to be able to estimate objectively if he can make 8/8 against your team.

You can come here with your 20 friends and repeat that 8/8 means cheating and so on:)

Remeber that noone asked me to post my opinion here. It simply just disturbs me and others that such childish, ridiculous and useless accusations can be made by some player who can't stand losing normally as a respectful opponent.

The theory about your fiction would be acceptable, because everyone can have his/her own opinion about other players, but if you're so sure of the cheat, you should provide some normal proof instead of that renlib file which makes people laugh.
2011-01-10 18:24:30 Adrian Czychowski (ohlechista)
Try to be objective
# 5220
,, I have known that You will write opinion like this, because everybody know, that You and Fire are friends... But it have no sense, i can find a lot of friends (20 for example) and they will say that he play program, not because they like me, because this is true. Please, try to wait for decision committee"
2011-01-10 17:39:13 Attila Demján (ycattila)
RE: lol
# 5219
Ah thanks Ondik for writing this. I wanted to share my thoughts about it too, what are exactly the same as yours.
I won't repeat last message again. I really hope that the committee will be wise and decisive in this issue.

Btw I got rid of this all when I have read the following: " I want to show it, because he have done 8/8 points and thats really unfair - we losed 12/20."
(WTF??? I'd better not to make any comment about it...)

This sentence is totally repping the seriousness of this accusement.

OYS, stop acting like this, it makes all gomoku community and stuff so bitter...
Just accept losing, we all have to learn it.
(DT had no rude word after losing 31:1 to us, though it should hurt much more. Take them as an example of proper behaviour)

2011-01-10 17:35:38 Adrian Czychowski (ohlechista)
# 5218
So You think that will be fine when everybody will start to do 15 moves like program in every games? Yee - so it's really fair. May we should wait for committee's decision?
2011-01-10 15:59:38 Ondrej Nykl (pandik1)
# 5217
i know i have no say in this as i'm not even playing EL, but damn, this is so ridiculous that I couldn't help myself. Even if he was cheating, there's no way he can be accused based on this renlib file you created. Before every move he did I tried to think about the move myself and 80 % of time I'd play the same move he did.

Just look at your logic -> When he doesn't use fiver.. he uses connect 5 to confuse others. And when he doesn't use even connect 5.. he uses his brain to be totally safe so noone can accuse him! (and you forgot to mention you changed your mind about him using connect 5 - now you think he was using Tito) Have you ever thought about possibility, that he maybe just made the RIGHT moves which would everybody else do, because they were quite obvious? And because they were the best moves in those situations, programs also played them? If you want to accuse someone you have to come up with something REALLY obvious, not simple 1800 rank move sequences for god's sake!

By the way - everyone plays as program when putting fifth stone in a row. Think about it.
2011-01-10 09:42:43 Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst)
RE: Language problems.
# 5213

I suggest Vlhfire (or Valahia captain) to make official statement regarding OH's accusation.

It could impact EL Committee decision and potential level of punishment (of course if applicable).

Kind regards,

2011-01-09 22:26 Adam Harmasz (ohhenryy07)
for Valahia's captain
# 5211
Dragon don't be angry, it's just for sure..., if fire didnt cheat you can be calm.
2011-01-09 22:18:55 Adam Harmasz (ohhenryy07)
RE: ,,Confirming"
# 5210
I agree with Lechista and rest players of OYS, jury should check it.
2011-01-09 18:44:50 Adrian Czychowski (ohlechista)
# 5205
Our Captain will confirm accusation as soon as possible, but we think it is not necessary according to the rules and in our opinion this should not stop the work of Committee, especially in the situation of last day of the current round
2011-01-09 18:18:18 Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si)
RE: Valahia-Programmers
# 5203
I ask the captain of OYS to confirm/refuse the accusation of Ohlechista about cheating as soon as possible.

Please take into consideration also the rule 10.6.
2011-01-09 18:16:27 Adrian Czychowski (ohlechista)
Hello Again
# 5202
Hello again and thanks Maestro for your reasonable post!

First of all, I would like to apologize for my previous messages. You are obviously right that we shouldn’t use word “programmers” until there is no formal verdict in such a case.

However, please try to understand my emotions after lost match, having in mind the possibility that the fight could not be 100% fair.

Frankly speaking we hope that is not true, but in my opinion and in opinion of friends from team and other players, one of Valahia members played very similar to well-known programs – Connect5 and Fiver6_8. As a proof we published link to the RenLib file showing all similarities.

I know that according to the EL rules we should give you more examples, but there was no time for this and games in previous matches wasn’t matter of our interest. If necessary, we can send you materials from missing two games.

We kindly ask EL Committee to check our formal accusation. We believe that all EL games should be played fair and in a friendly atmosphere.

Finally, I would like to apologize once for some rude words, that were really unnecessary.

Waiting for the fair verdict.


Lechista and all OH YEAH sqad players
2011-01-09 17:56:32 Paweł Tarasiński (commaestro)
Calm down
# 5201
Calm down guys, please. We don't need strong words now. Better wait for analysis of jas's accusation by Committee of EL.

Debating about our negotiations I also consider as useless.
2011-01-09 17:46:50 Costinas Beniamin (vlh_dragon)
Thank you for the assist.
# 5200
Point proven :).
2011-01-09 17:09:16 Adrian Czychowski (ohlechista)
# 5199
2011-01-09 16:49:33 Costinas Beniamin (vlh_dragon)
Plural ???
# 5197
Why programmers ???
Who else do you have proof of cheating. If you don't want to accept your defeat, that's fine with me. But making stupid accusations right and left only makes you look bad.

Why is there no edit button? I made some grammar mistakes and i think an edit button would be welcomed. At least for the message, if not for the title also (so lechista can either correct his utterly intellectual remark, or provide more proof, from the bottom of his endless knowledge).
2011-01-09 16:42:39 Costinas Beniamin (vlh_dragon)
Language problems.
# 5196
Mind your language. Have you heard about "innocent until proven guilty" ?
You can sustain something, but you can't conclude something. And if you think you conclude... well, keep it for yourself. It's rude(not to say otherwise) to establish the verdict by your one, while we have a jury here.

I see that you have manner problems, at your fair little team. While you're at it, why don't you say how you refused all my offers, of playing some other time. You knew our players had difficulties with the admin date (and in your big brave hearts, what did you say ???... let's use that date, maybe they are saying the truth). And we did, adi couldn't make it and f4lc0n was only able to play 2 rounds. That should say a lot of your team, considering that this round had 4 weaks, and you postponed your decision until there was nothing to decide (you said you would vote and hope that we can find a good date for both teams, but in your advanced english skills, both had the meaning of only your team).
2011-01-09 16:10:17 Adrian Czychowski (ohlechista)
RE: Valahia-Programmers
# 5195 On this sit u can share library, where Vlhfire - use programs.
2011-01-09 16:05:33 Adrian Czychowski (ohlechista)
# 5194
2010-12-24 15:53:09 Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst)
Merry Christmas!
# 5188
Merry Christmas and happy New Year to everyone :)

Best regards!

2010-12-18 22:09:32 Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si)
RE: Slovenian Dragons 1 - MastersOfCeremony
# 5167
Hi Truskawek,
I asked my teammates, but your offer is really not good for us, because some player wont be at home that day. Sorry. In spite of that, I hope, you will have enough players.
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