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2023-11-30 10:00:09 Libor Krejčíř (idea)
addendum
# 7334
I would also like to say that I believe that shorter matches would result in more players playing EL, which I personally believe is preferable over the duration length. I believe there are players who don't have the possibility to spend so much time with gomoku at once, but they would like to play. IMHO more players playing EL would make it more prestigious.
There are other gomoku competitions where those, who seek to spend more time playing, could participate.
It's my opinion. Maybe long matches and less players is what EL is supposed to be.
2023-11-30 01:32:20 Libor Krejčíř (idea)
RE: new rules & discord invite
# 7333
Hello,
personally, I prefer those changes better than a slow downfall...

But the idea of only one game with each opponent sounds very nice to me.
I like those smaller teams, but I also see the point that one player can influence it a lot.
But less players on one date makes things easier for captains.
I understand why changing the number of members can be a problem for long-living teams, but if it helps to revitalize the EL, why delay it?
I don't think that teams in the new system will be more uneaqual (game level). They already are. Only few teams in the previous season were composed of players of different playnig skills.

IMHO, Euroleague needs to have shorter matches (but of high quality -- 10+3 or even more)
and needs to be more flexible (less players in a match, less pain around date agreement)
3 players, one game with each and time control 15+3 seem like an ideal to me.

Also, as aemiT already mentioned below, I would like to invite you all to our Gomoku club. It is an effort to unite all gomoku players and it is a good place for any discussion (not only EL), as it provides flexible tools to moderate it.

Sincerely,
idea.
2023-11-26 16:48:55 Tímea Hoangová (aemit)
Invite to Gomoku club discord server
# 7332
Hi everyone!

We would like to invite you to our discord server. Feel free to discuss gomoku strategies and more here: https://discord.gg/SwCBVAWNru
We have created an international server with many channels and f.e. gomoku and renju puzzles.

Best regards
aemiT
2023-11-25 09:25:12 Ashot Avetisyan (ashot)
RE: New rules
# 7331
I agree the new rule is very sensitive, we need to discuss it and come up with a more stable plan
2023-11-25 09:10:38 Alexey Lebedev (wkstealth)
New rules
# 7330
The announcement of new EL season was quite a surprise this time, because along with the announcement came serious changes in EL rules:
1) EL format: 7 rounds + 2 playoff rounds instead of 9 rounds
2) time control: 7+3 instead of 10+3 (not including playoffs)
3) number of players in team (both maximum and playing in the match): 3+2 instead of 4+3

These changes are very sensitive and affect all teams - for example, all 12 teams that played in the previous EL season had more than 5 players, 9 of 12 - 7 players.
That means all existing teams have to kick out 1 or 2 players to participate in the upcoming season - for a long-living teams it's not an easy task, as many of them had to carefully assemble players for several years.

The idea of these changes is quite clear - Committee wants to increase the number of teams, to make EL games shorter and thus more interesting for newbies. However, the changes don't seem to be very well-thought:
1) reducing the number of players is called to increase the number of teams. however, it's much more likely lead to players leaving the EL - only some of them may be able to organize new teams, but most won't.
2) reducing the number of players in the match to 3 makes the impact of each player to the final result way higher, so EL becomes less team competition. For example, if a player wins all his 8 games in a 4x4 match, the rest of this team needs 8 points out of 24 to get a tie. If a player wins all his 6 games in a 3x3 match, the rest of his team needs only 3 points out of 12.
3) having many teams made of experienced players and many teams made of newbies leads to many matches with an overwhelming difference in game level - this type of matches is demotivating for both teams (the stronger one has no interest in playing, the weaker one is demotivated by having no chances to win)

Most importantly, the decision about these changes has been made without any discussions with a significant part of active EL players - at least 4 of 12 teams that played in the previous season (Wake, MIND INFINITY, Thunderstorm, Humans-2015 - btw, 4 teams of top-7 in the previous season) were completely unaware of the changes.
Discussions among these 4 teams showed, that all of them don't support the changes, in varying degrees. The idea of the Committee is clear and good, but the realization definitely needs to be discussed. At least, there are many other ways to achieve the same goals - for example, reducing the games played between each pair of players from 2 to 1 (like it's done in live team tournaments), letting teams to choose one of predefined time controls (so that newbies can play 3+2 and experienced teams - 10+3), creating 2 groups based on team strength, etc.

The Commitee has a nice experience of reviewing already announced decisions (namely, the decision to allow Sandra play in the EL). If such small decision was reviewed after discussion wth the teams, the decision to change the rules in such a sensitive way definitely needs to be made only after the discussion with EL players.

So I kindly ask to start a discussion, and make the final decision based on its results.
2023-06-02 00:23:31 Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst)
RE: Player statistics for current season
# 7329
Hi, this is to let you know that thanks to Pavel Rezny's efforts all problems with the missing stats shall be fixed. Please let us know in case of any identified similar issues. Best regards, Angst
2023-05-25 08:26:57 Vladimir Sinitsyn (vladimirs)
Player statistics for current season
# 7326
Hi, player statistics doesn't include 8th round (only first seven). It is interesting to see all results.
2023-05-16 15:07:20 Zoltán László (scavenger)
RE: Monitoring of Jenő Mucsi
# 7325
It was a complicated situation as the match date was unclear for a long time and there was a language barrier as well. The monitoring was supervised by myself in the beginning and then by Piotr Małowiejski. I informed you and Jenő as well prior to the monitoring. 13.1 also says "once known" - the person of the superviser was only fixed shortly before the match and even then, as described above, we had to share it.
Note that we, as ELC, are trying to ensure fair play in the competition with the tools we have. We don't mean any harm to any of the players, however, by joining the competition all teams have accepted the rules. We act according to our best knowledge in every case, and, once again, we act FOR the players, not against them.
2023-05-14 21:47:49 Csaba Kamarás (owcsaba)
RE: Monitoring of Jenő Mucsi
# 7324
Who was Jenő Mucsi s inspector of this match. And why it was not declared before monitoring- 13.1. says "the details of the match in which the monitoring takes place as well as the name of the inspector."
2023-05-13 20:16:20 Zoltán László (scavenger)
Monitoring of Jenő Mucsi
# 7323
The ELC decided to monitor Jenő Mucsi during the match between Czech Payback and Only We on 14. 05. 2023.
2023-05-13 20:14:58 Zoltán László (scavenger)
RE: Monitoring of Alexander Miroshnichenko
# 7322
As it was postponed again, the monitoring is still in active status for the match between Mind Infinity and Thunderstorm on 14. 05. 2023.
2023-04-29 18:19:01 Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst)
RE: Change of time for Admin date
# 7319
Hi Peter!

On behalf of the Committee I would like to confirm that we approved your request and therefore new Admin date is changed, as requested.

This is valid starting from the current round.

Best regards,

Piotr
2023-04-12 20:14:16 Peter Jonsson (peterjo)
Change of time for Admin date
# 7314
Hello!

As we now got two Asian players (Korea and Vietnam) we ask to change time on Admin date to 15 00.

If the answer is yes, is it valid from this round (23 April)?

Peter Jonsson, Captain Luffarna
2023-04-02 10:12:09 Zoltán László (scavenger)
RE: Monitoring of Alexander Miroshnichenko
# 7313
As it was postponed again, the monitoring is still in active status for the match between Czech Payback and Mind Infinity on 02. 04. 2023.
2023-02-19 10:55:01 Zoltán László (scavenger)
RE: Monitoring of Alexander Miroshnichenko
# 7307
The postponed monitoring will take place during the match between Dark Team and Mind Infinity on 19. 02. 2023.
2023-01-22 18:51:22 Zoltán László (scavenger)
Monitoring of Alexander Miroshnichenko
# 7306
The ELC decided to monitor Alexander Miroshnichenko during the match between Mind Infinity and Wake on 22. 01. 2023. The appointed inspector will be František Fňukal.
2022-12-13 20:55:44 Manó Gyenei (7uptorpe)
2nd round
# 7301
Dear Committee,
As you declared the rule of the EL is 4.3. One round lasts 21 days. Every round starts on Monday and finishes on Sunday at 24:00 Prague time. There can be some exceptions according to the Committees decision.
So, the first round of the 2022/2023 season was started on 11.28.2022 and should finished on 12.18.2022.
I understand that every teams have finished their on round earlier, but you do not have the power to begin the round earlier without any notice sending to the captain of the teams? What do you think how could you know that we know that the new round was begun? Why had you any notice about beginning the new round? Why do you think we check the website every day in every hour?

We participated, because aceptted the rules you declared on the EL website, but you do not follow it. The decision you made is not fair for every team, because you have not noticed teams after the decision. It is not neccessary to login to the website before the next round is starting ( so there is no chance to inform about any changes about rules or decisions of the Committee).
Please next time sand an email to the captains about the variables.
Thank you
2022-11-20 19:35:50 Peter Jonsson (peterjo)
Luffarna search for two more players
# 7299
Hello everyone!
It seems that it is difficult for us to make a full team all rounds this season as the situation is now. One or two more players will be a big help for us. If you are interested to play for our team , please contact me:

petejonsson@hotmail.com

Peter Jonsson, Captain Luffarna
2022-03-03 18:40:31 Zoltán László (scavenger)
RE: Ukraine
# 7281
We condemn the violent actions of Russia in Ukraine. Our thoughts are with the Ukrainian members of the community, as well as we think of the Russian members of the community, who probably also mostly feel bad about it and are affected by the consequences already. We hope that peace will be restored as soon as possible.

The EuroLeague Committee
2022-02-28 18:04:36 Mikhael Lomakin (mikle)
RE: Ukraine
# 7279
This is very good news!
I want all the participants of what is happening on both sides to remain alive and unharmed. And the guilty suffered the deserved punishment.
2022-02-28 14:50:11 Alexander Miroshnichenko (fudjin)
RE: Ukraine
# 7278
Thanks for your words. Perhaps my mood would be worse if there was something wrong with me or my loved ones, but I'm still intact
2022-02-26 21:09:14 Mikhael Lomakin (mikle)
Ukraine
# 7277
My country is currently at war with Ukraine. I have always been against any war. I am against the war with Ukraine. But no one asked my opinion when this war started. Guys from Ukraine play here. And the only thing I can do is ask them for forgiveness. Now many Russians are banned from participating in sports competitions. And if a decision is made to suspend me from participating in the Euroleague, then I will make that decision. I am very sorry for what is happening in Ukraine right now.
Слава Украине!
Нет войне!
2022-02-07 22:23:45 Zoltán László (scavenger)
RE: The Fudjin case
# 7273
Dear Sandra,

In accordance with the name, as well as the description of the "Decisions" section of the Euroleague Forum, you can find there information about decisions made by the Euroleague Committee, that in our opinion players participating in the competition should be informed of.

The purpose of this section is not to ostracize or evaluate the attitudes of individual players, decisions and penalties shall not be applied retrospectively in such matters. Note that it is round 4 already. You may be familiar with law expressions "Lex retro non agit" and "Lex prospicit non respicit". He cheated several years ago and even if there was no significant action taken at that time, we consider his self-isolation as a way of serving his sentence.

Currently there is no suspicion on him of cheating, he was monitored in other competitions even, therefore there is no need at all for an official decision regarding the case of Alexander Miroshnichenko.

Kind regards,

EL Committee
2022-02-02 14:23:04 Sandra Jones (sandra)
The Fudjin case
# 7272
Dear Euroleague Committee,

A number of gomoku players are members of a prestigious club. It's the club of players whose noble efforts to improve the quality of Euroleague games by performing an in-game computer analysis or playing on behalf of other players have been officially recognized by the Euroleague Committee. Upon official recognition of his efforts, each new club member gets his name listed on the most sacred page of the Euroleague forum, The Decisions. I believe it's an excellent tradition. You know, Euroleague games abound in mediocre moves and outright blunders because most players are lazy enough to use anything besides their own minds, so it's indeed a great idea to appreciate people who truly care about the game quality and do something about it. A number of true gomoku enthusiasts have been listed as club members, including the Polish champion of 2016, the current highest rated Russian player, and Great Lord Lamaza himself.

But there's a player whose consistent efforts to become a member of that club have been ignored by the Euroleague Committee. His name is Alexander Miroshnichenko, and he is from Kharkiv, Ukraine, and most known as Fudjin. Not only did he use software in the tournament for years in the most obvious way, but he also explicitly admitted on the Russian gomoku discussion forum a few years ago to using software in more than a half of his Euroleague games. Unfortunately, that application for membership in the club has still not been processed by the Euroleague Committee. Being a modest person who never brags about his noble deeds, Alexander removed that post of his after a while, but it was a long while, so many people, including some in the Euroleague Committee, witnessed the post.

I believe that Alexander Miroshnichenko deserved the honor to be admitted to the club, and therefore I am asking the Euroleague Committee to add his name to the Euroleague forum page of official decisions by posting a formal decision to recognize his deeds. While new club members are generally rewarded with a well-deserved rest from playing in the Euroleague, I don't really insist on giving such a reward to Alexander, for he himself took a very long rest before joining the Euroleague back this season. What I insist on is posting an official decision on his case, for that's the only way to avoid double standards in terms of admission to the club as well as to render justice to his tremendous past efforts to improve the quality of Euroleague games.
2021-11-21 23:32:06 Tatiana Volkova (1dalida1)
Admin date for Thunderstorm team
# 7264
Hello everyone! We (Thunderstorm) want to set admin date at 17:00 server time (Prague time)
2021-11-11 10:46:58 Csaba Kamarás (owcsaba)
Admin date for Only We team
# 7263
Hello! Only We team wants to set the time of the admin date at 17:00 server time for the 2021/22 season.
Thank you!
2021-06-30 23:06:18 Zoltán László (scavenger)
BnW vs CzB and some remarks
# 7262
The start time of our match this Sat is shifted to 19:00 as requested by the Czechs.

Hopefully nobody gets banned on an open forum. Hopefully irrelevant content will be removed.

I would also like to wish great successes in the future for Ivan Danilin, hopefully we can see more young players like him in EuroLeague (and also in other competitions, both online and offline).

Let's have some sort of peace and enjoy the game :)
2021-05-06 15:03:52 Marek Gorzecki (alicecooperpl)
RE: sandra jones
# 7253
As I wrote here, during the DaW-CzP match, sandra organized a show of hatred towards me.
But I also asked questions :) Here are the quotes:

22:18 alicecooperpl: thats you played program and cheat, every is on polish forum
22:18 Sandra: no, i never cheated when i played under any nickname known to be mine
22:20 alicecooperpl: not only, you are proven cheater :)
22:21 alicecooperpl: but sure you can play live and show us :D
22:25 Sandra: alice, experiments in bieniasze performed under a totally secret nickname do not count as cheating.
22:26 alicecooperpl: buhaha :) experiment - play wth prog
22:27 alicecooperpl: this troll is more stiupid that my neighbours dog
22:27 Sandra: i never cheated when playing under a nickname known to be mine, such as sandra113, morninglight, etc

22:46 Sandra: i can type whatever i want, and this will never affect my real-life reputation :)

Conclusion: This cheater and liar believes that if he/she cheats so that no one knows - it does not count :D. And that, as an anonymous, he/she goes unpunished.

Besides, is it a forum for Euroleague players?
Why is a troll not playing here not banned yet?
2021-05-05 18:23:07 Sandra Jones (sandra)
Ivan Danilin's statement
# 7252
Here's the response by Ivan Danilin himself to the news that Alicecooper questioned the fairness of Ivan's play, as translated by me into English:

-- start of the translation ---

It's not really a pleasure to hear that. I play on my own.

But I go to great lengths to prepare for matches; in particular, I go through 10-15 last games by each potential opponent of mine in which he put an opening, and analyze his openings on a computer. This is why I knew the openings put against me in more than a half of the games played by me as the second player in these two matches. Many players do not just put one and the same opening each time, but also play it wrong, or the opening is unbalanced. I am surprised by people who play one and the same opening each time, often playing it wrong, and then wonder how the opponent could know their opening. This applies to, inter alia, the games against outtiberius, ouups, alicecooperpl, and sawyerpl. I myself strive to play a different opening each time; the seven games played by me as the first player feature six different openings.

Also, I cannot but mention how lucky I was in various ways. Outtiberius failed to block a four. Ouups had the space of the entire board after I didn't manage to convert a decisive advantage into a victory, but he didn't win. Ir0nman had an uncomplicated win, and I saw it, but, for some reason, he lost. Ursuspl built a win for me himself. And in the other game, he could have seized a huge advantage. Alicecooperpl simply gave me the initiative.

Probably, these two factors --- preparation and luck --- indeed somewhat inflate my real playing strength.

-- end of the translation ---

This response was sent by Ivan to his captain, Alexey Mikhailov, in the morning of April 11, that is, on the next day after the match date. Alexey hadn't asked Ivan to provide any explanations. Alexey had merely informed his team that Alicecooper had expressed doubts of Ivan's fairness.

Alexey explained me these details and forwarded Ivan's response to me for translation and publication. Alexey added that he believes that Ivan's response is a perfect answer to Marek Gorzecki and 'other people who are like him in that they can't lose with dignity.'
2021-05-05 17:37:57 Sandra Jones (sandra)
RE: MMA schedule: Fight dates, TV channel
# 7251
Dear admins, could you please remove the spam about MMA? It makes our forum look not good.
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